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Old December 3rd, 2012, 07:03 PM   #4961
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Hangzhou-Nanjing HSR to trial run in December, open in February 2013

The new HSR rail will not need a detour passing Shanghai. The whole trip will only take 1 hour and 120 Yuan ($19).

Project info (宁杭城际铁路):

Length: 248.963 km (63% bridges, 11% tunnels)
Design speed: 350km/h
Stations: 11
Construction: 4 years (12/27/2008 ~ 12/26/2012)
Does anyone here know whether that railway shall open in this year or in Snake Year?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 07:39 PM   #4962
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Is this also part of the Chengdu-Xian high speed railway?

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When it's opened, yes, it'll form part of Chengdu-Xian as well as Chengdu-Guiyang. However each of those lines have their dedicated connecting lines under construction, once finished the Mianyang-Chengdu-Leshan PDL will operate independently. Chengdu will connect to Xian through Jiangyou, and to Guiyang via Leshan on a new dedicated line.

Like I have mentioned before, those intercity suburban commuter trains are operated different than normal CRH service as they don't belong to railway bureaus but rather the Chengdu city metro company.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:12 PM   #4963
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So it's similar to the setup of the Jinshan Railway (line 22) in Shanghai?
This is interesting. I didn't know so many metros were doing this already. A good next step imho.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 11:31 PM   #4964
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Like I have mentioned before, those intercity suburban commuter trains are operated different than normal CRH service as they don't belong to railway bureaus but rather the Chengdu city metro company.
What commuter trains you mean like Guangzhou–Zhuhai ICR or more like Jinshan? Are there any more lines like that U/C (I think nanjing, shenyang, lanzhou and wenzhou are working on something like that ATM)

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A good next step imho.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #4965
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What commuter trains you mean like Guangzhou–Zhuhai ICR or more like Jinshan?
How about Chengdu-Dujiangyan?

How shall Chengdu-Mianyang and Chengdu-Leshan compare with Chengdu-Dujiangyan?
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Old December 4th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #4966
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So it's similar to the setup of the Jinshan Railway (line 22) in Shanghai?
This is interesting. I didn't know so many metros were doing this already. A good next step imho.
Yup exactly like JInshan.

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What commuter trains you mean like Guangzhou–Zhuhai ICR or more like Jinshan? Are there any more lines like that U/C (I think nanjing, shenyang, lanzhou and wenzhou are working on something like that ATM)
Also the lines belong to Wuhan Metropolitan Intercity Railway systems (i.e.Wuhan-Huanggang).

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How about Chengdu-Dujiangyan?

How shall Chengdu-Mianyang and Chengdu-Leshan compare with Chengdu-Dujiangyan?
It's very similar to Chengdu-Dujiangyan, which was once referred as the first modern suburban intercity railway. All three lines will be the backbone of Chengdu's suburban commuter transit system.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #4967
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So what exactly are they calling this system as of now?
It would be great (and helpful) if they all adopted some kind of similar naming scheme - like S-bahn in Germany.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #4968
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So what exactly are they calling this system as of now?
It would be great (and helpful) if they all adopted some kind of similar naming scheme - like S-bahn in Germany.
Highspeed trains are called Harmony Express. Letter prefixes indicate their speed and purpose.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #4969
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So what exactly are they calling this system as of now?
It would be great (and helpful) if they all adopted some kind of similar naming scheme - like S-bahn in Germany.
They call it 城际客专 or Intercity PDL, hence the C (城, Cheng, City) designation.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:49 AM   #4970
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According to Sina.com, the station's new name is waiting for the approval from the Ministry of Railway and the new station should be put into operation before Chinese New Year.

Please correct, if I didn't translate it properly.

Original link here: http://news.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-16/065925592389.shtml
I believe the change of the station name has been approved. Old Shenzhen "Buji" Station now has billboards "Shenzhen East Railway Station". The station itself is not open yet.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 08:13 AM   #4971
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Smokers slow high-speed trains in NE China
Updated: 2012-12-04 13:17
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SHENYANG - Bullet trains on a high-speed railway line in Northeast China have been forced to slow down seven times over the last three days because of smoking passengers, railway police said Tuesday.

In the most recent incident, a fire alarm was triggered by a smoking passenger on high-speed train D8072 from Liaoning province's capital of Shenyang to the city of Dalian at 9 am Monday, forcing the train to slow from 200 km per hour to 120 km per hour, said a police officer with the Shenyang Railway Public Security Bureau.

The smoker, a 23-year-old Dalian native surnamed Wang, was fined 200 yuan ($32) for violating relevant regulations.

"Smoking is strictly forbidden on high-speed trains, even in the toilets, washing rooms and connecting areas between cars," said the officer. "Smoking can trigger fire alarms or even cause a fire on the train."

Violators may be subject to warnings, fines or administrative detention for disturbing order in public transport facilities, according to the police officer.

The Harbin-Dalian High-Speed Railway, which went into operation on Saturday linking three provinces in Northeast China, is the world's fastest railway in areas with extremely low temperatures. The train's speed can reach up to 350 km per hour.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #4972
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A CNY 200 fine? It should have been 10 times that! In HK eating and drinking on the metro can carry penalty of HKD 5,000, and eating and drinking in no way is a safety hazard. There really need to be much more severe fines and penalties for smoking and eating & drinking where not allowed as well as spitting and littering.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #4973
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2013 openings

Now that it is December 2012, which railway lines are on schedule to open in 2013?

Panjin-Yingkou?
Hangzhou-Ningbo?
Xiamen-Longhua?
Xuzhou-Zhengzhou?
Xian-Baoji?
Lichuan-Chongqing?
Chongqing-Suining?
Hangzhou-Changsha?
Changsha-Kunming?
Tianjin-Qinhuangdao?
Nanning-Qinzhou?
Hengyang-Guilin-Liuzhou?
Datong-Xian?
Maoming-Zhanjiang?
Tianjin-Baoding?
Nanchang-Fuzhou?
Guangzhou-Nanning?
Nanjing-Hangzhou?
Wuchang-Xianning?
Wuhan-Huangshi?
Wuhan-Huanggang?
Beijing-Tangshan?
Qingdao-Rongcheng?
Harbin-Qiqihar?
Chongqing-Wanzhou?
Shenyang-Dandong?
Hangzhou-Huangshan?
Liuzhou-Nanning?
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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #4974
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A CNY 200 fine? It should have been 10 times that! In HK eating and drinking on the metro can carry penalty of HKD 5,000, and eating and drinking in no way is a safety hazard. There really need to be much more severe fines and penalties for smoking and eating & drinking where not allowed as well as spitting and littering.

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Well, their incomes are only a fraction of those in HK. 200 yuan may not sound a lot, but it is not exactly a token amount in China.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #4975
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The next sales point will be dedicated smoking carriages on CRH trains.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #4976
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A CNY 200 fine? It should have been 10 times that! In HK eating and drinking on the metro can carry penalty of HKD 5,000, and eating and drinking in no way is a safety hazard. There really need to be much more severe fines and penalties for smoking and eating & drinking where not allowed as well as spitting and littering.

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Totally basing this on my own experience, I have seen 2 types of people smoke on Chinese high speed trains: ignorant 'poor' yokels (not the poorest, since they can't afford HSR, but the ones that can barely get a standing ticket on a D train) and rich *******s that think they're the shit.

The first category will totally feel that CNY 200 fine.
The second category won't give a shit... after all, they think they ARE the shit.

I propose fines based on income.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #4977
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Totally basing this on my own experience, I have seen 2 types of people smoke on Chinese high speed trains: ignorant 'poor' yokels (not the poorest, since they can't afford HSR, but the ones that can barely get a standing ticket on a D train) and rich *******s that think they're the shit.

The first category will totally feel that CNY 200 fine.
The second category won't give a shit... after all, they think they ARE the shit.

I propose fines based on income.
Current Public Security Law:
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Article 6: There are three types punishments for violating the Security Administration:
1. Warning;
2. Fines: From one Yuan up to not more than two hundred Yuan. Separate stipulations made in Article 30, 31, and 32 in this Act shall be implemented accordingly;
3. Detention: From one day up to not more than fifteen days.
Smoking in a moving train is unacceptable. I propose a detention up to 15 days.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 02:12 AM   #4978
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I think a 15 day detention is probably more expensive, although you can make the inmate pay their stay, too.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #4979
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Well, their incomes are only a fraction of those in HK. 200 yuan may not sound a lot, but it is not exactly a token amount in China.
The fine should be about sending a message. I think the way the public will look at this is that smoking on trains is a minor annoyance, and not the serious offence that it is. The fine should be prohibitively high to let people know you absolutely should not do it. (C'mon 200 yuan is really not a lot today, especially for people taking G trains.)
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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:46 AM   #4980
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Smoking violators should be given a free ride on their return trip, strapped on top of the train.
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