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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:23 AM   #5001
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12.9 Beijing citizen protesting Beijing-Shenyang HSR bypassing their homes and questioning the environment report















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Old December 10th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #5002
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What does it say on the papers?
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Old December 10th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #5003
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I seems most are saying things a long the lines of

'Opposing the HSR'
'Resist!'
'We don't share the same view'

I don't really know what character combinations in Chinese mean though
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #5004
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Most says "Against being made to agree," "HSR has insufficient clearance from home," "Environmental impact study was falsified," "Against bureaucracy."
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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #5005
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What does it say on the papers?

This is what the signs say.

Against: High-speed rail passing before my front door.
Against: High-speed rail breeching the minimal allowed distance [from a residential area].
Against: Being forced to agree.
Against: The Third Railway Institute forging Environmental Study results.
Running nearly one hundred trains closer than ten meters [from my residence] is not harmonious.
Support: 18th Chinese National People's Congress. Against: Bureaucratic Formality (I assume that's a way of saying rubber stamping)
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Old December 10th, 2012, 10:59 PM   #5006
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Of course, the more noise they'll make the more 'profit' they can expect.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #5007
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To their credit there are legit concerns such as the minimum clearance of the line, although vast majority of the buildings are outside the 30m minimum distance, there is also a provision that states that the line shouldn't be built within 200m of noise sensitive installations such as schools, hospitals, and residential complexes. MOR has provided some good protective measures though, in some area extensive noise curtain walls will be constructed, that's why this time around the opposition is much smaller than previous ones.

On the other hand BS claims such as electromagnetic radiation pollution is just ridiculous.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #5008
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To their credit there are legit concerns such as the minimum clearance of the line, although vast majority of the buildings are outside the 30m minimum distance, there is also a provision that states that the line shouldn't be built within 200m of noise sensitive installations such as schools, hospitals, and residential complexes. MOR has provided some good protective measures though, in some area extensive noise curtain walls will be constructed, that's why this time around the opposition is much smaller than previous ones.

On the other hand BS claims such as electromagnetic radiation pollution is just ridiculous.
I'm not too sure about the electromagnetic radiation pollution either, I remember people saying the same thing about high voltage power lines but I'm not sure what those studies produced.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:24 AM   #5009
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2. Xi'an-Baoji section, construction started on Feb 28, 2012, scheduled to finish in late 2013 and trial runs start early 2014. Design speed 350km/h.
Is it on schedule for completion within 2013?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #5010
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12.1 Harbin-Dalian HSR starts operation officially
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In ten days of Harbin-Dalian HSR opening, the long distance bus fare along the line has dropped up to 30%.

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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #5011
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I remember people saying the same thing about high voltage power lines but I'm not sure what those studies produced.
I remember those too. I can't remember hearing what official studies have said, but I have seen figures of people living under power lines getting cancer, and they had a much higher percentage than the average.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #5012
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In ten days of Harbin-Dalian HSR opening, the long distance bus fare along the line has dropped up to 30%.
Have the fares of slow speed trains on the same line been affected?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #5013
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Have the fares of slow speed trains on the same line been affected?
All railway fares in China are fixed according to a mathematical formula, unlike in western countries.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #5014
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12.9 Beijing citizen protesting Beijing-Shenyang HSR bypassing their homes and questioning the environment report


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Will something like this help?


The Zhanxi bridge highway in Beijing:

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Old December 12th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #5015
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I remember those too. I can't remember hearing what official studies have said, but I have seen figures of people living under power lines getting cancer, and they had a much higher percentage than the average.
The advice of the resident Internet MD seems fair enough. While there have been single studies with one effect or the opposite, no such effect has been demonstrated. There is not enough evidence to conclusively state that there cannot be adverse health effect either.

Back to the health and other effects of high speed rail.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #5016
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Will something like this help?
The Zhanxi bridge highway in Beijing:
I probably will, the reason that opposition is not as strong as before is because after the first round of environmental impact study and public hearing MOR has agreed to increase the acoustic barrier to full height from half height. I'm sure if they propose a fully enclosed railway viaduct the public opposition will die down significantly. On the other hand they have to deal with a significant increase in cost as well the engineering challenge of tunnel shocks.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #5017
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Does anyone have a map of Beijing showing the high speed railways - Beijing-Tianjin, Beijing-Shanghai, Beijing-Shijiazhuang, Beijing-Chengde-Shenyang - and the other (existing slow) railways?
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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:45 AM   #5018
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G71 from Beijing West to Shenzhen North, 10h05m, 219 km/h
• 08:00 – 08:00 Beijing West
• 08:41 – 08:43 Baoding East
• 09:19 – 09:22 Shijiazhuang
• 10:01 – 10:03 Handan East
• 10:41 – 10:43 Xinxiang East
• 11:04 – 11:07 Zhengzhou East
• 11:53 – 11:55 Zhumadian West
• 13:06 – 13:09 Wuhan
• 13:58 – 14:00 Yueyang East
• 14:34 – 14:39 Changsha South
• 15:16 – 15:18 Hengyang East
• 15:35 – 15:37 Leiyang West
• 15:58 – 16:05 Chenzhou West
• 17:26 – 17:36 Guangzhou South
• 18:05 – 18:05 Shenzhen North

G72 from Shenzhen North to Beijing West, 10h21m, 213 km/h
• 08:00 – 08:00 Shenzhen North
• 08:29 – 08:32 Guangzhou South
• 10:07 – 10:09 Leiyang West
• 10:48 – 10:50 Zhuzhou West
• 11:07 – 11:11 Changsha South
• 11:45 – 11:57 Yueyang East
• 12:47 – 12:50 Wuhan
• 13:53 – 13:55 Zhumadian West
• 14:13 – 14:23 Luohe West
• 14:57 – 15:00 Zhengzhou East
• 15:31 – 15:33 Hebi East
• 16:00 – 16:20 Handan East
• 16:59 – 17:02 Shijiazhuang
• 17:38 – 17:40 Baoding East
• 18:21 – 18:21 Beijing West

G79 from Beijing West to Guangzhou South, 07h59m, 264 km/h
• 10:00 – 10:00 Beijing West
• 11:07 – 11:09 Shijiazhuang
• 12:30 – 12:33 Zhengzhou East
• 14:17 – 14:20 Wuhan
• 15:38 – 15:41 Changsha South
• 17:59 – 17:59 Guangzhou South

G80 from Guangzhou South to Beijing West, 07h59m, 264 km/h
• 10:00 – 10:00 Guangzhou South
• 12:17 – 12:20 Changsha South
• 13:38 – 13:41 Wuhan
• 15:26 – 15:29 Zhengzhou East
• 16:50 – 16:52 Shijiazhuang
• 17:59 – 17:59 Beijing West

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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:52 AM   #5019
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Good stuff there. Is this the official schedule?

Is the G79/G80 the fastest service?
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Old December 13th, 2012, 04:01 AM   #5020
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8 hours is a bit of a stretch for a train ride. I'd rather fly for 3.5 hours and waste 2 hours pre-flight and an hour after. Even then, I still save quite a bit of time flying.
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