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Old December 17th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #5061
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I would expect in-seat entertainment to become less popular because of high costs to install, maintain and upgrade. Very quickly they will feel old-fashioned. It is cheaper and more convenient to leave people to their own devices, lending or renting them some if they haven't brought any themselves.

Norwegian is going in this direction, while Virgin supposedly lend iPads.

It isn't that easy or free to set up, though of course a lot cheaper than the cost of a plane, train set, or bus. The quality of service has also been unreliable and cumbersome, practically all have had some connectivity problems, and some have so much as to be unusable.

Chinese 3G is a bit of a technological dead end, 4G may be better. WiFi has a good number of shortcomings as well, but at least it is universal.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #5062
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How are the existing 6+ hour G train routes like Beijing-Hangzhou and Xian-Shenzhen so far competing against flights?
Don't have the figure, but very few people actually ride the train the whole way anyway so there is not much of a comparison.

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I would expect in-seat entertainment to become less popular because of high costs to install, maintain and upgrade. Very quickly they will feel old-fashioned. It is cheaper and more convenient to leave people to their own devices, lending or renting them some if they haven't brought any themselves.

Norwegian is going in this direction, while Virgin supposedly lend iPads.

It isn't that easy or free to set up, though of course a lot cheaper than the cost of a plane, train set, or bus. The quality of service has also been unreliable and cumbersome, practically all have had some connectivity problems, and some have so much as to be unusable.

Chinese 3G is a bit of a technological dead end, 4G may be better. WiFi has a good number of shortcomings as well, but at least it is universal.
Also in flight entertainment systems have to clear regulatory agencies and conduct strict flight tests before they can even be placed onto aircraft. Less of a problem for trains but still much involved than just replace your everyday car stereo with a DVD screen.

4G will be the way to go, right now they are testing TD-LTE at more than 20 different cities and expecting to start operational deployment next year. Newer existing 3G infrastructure are designed to be easily upgradable to TD-LTE.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 03:03 PM   #5063
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Don't have the figure, but very few people actually ride the train the whole way anyway so there is not much of a comparison.
Which means planes are competing with CRH already?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #5064
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So what about Dalian - Harbin. Is it 200 or 220 maximum? and are there any G trains planned?

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I thought 3G data plans in China are super cheap, so there is less need for Wifi to begin with?
But tourists might have no Chinese SIM card. In any way - does foreigner able to buy a SIM?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #5065
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So what about Dalian - Harbin. Is it 200 or 220 maximum? and are there any G trains planned?

But tourists might have no Chinese SIM card. In any way - does foreigner able to buy a SIM?
I thought 200km/h is for winter period only. Otherwise 300km/h?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #5066
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But tourists might have no Chinese SIM card. In any way - does foreigner able to buy a SIM?
Why not? Buying a SIM card should take no more than a couple of minutes.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #5067
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Why not? Buying a SIM card should take no more than a couple of minutes.
It helps to have someone along that speak the language... I basically just pointed at a 500 yuan China Mobile card and hoped it would do what I wanted it to do...
It did work, turned out to be a prepaid card, but it also turned out it was a Nanjing card, so it was more expensive to call in the rest of China. Data didn't seem to work, and I had no idea how to ask about that.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 05:06 PM   #5068
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I thought 200km/h is for winter period only. Otherwise 300km/h?
But why such a strange decision? E5 does 300 on Tohoku Shinkansen, Sapsan does 250, yet on a small unpopulated section, but it does. Why Chinese can't?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #5069
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Shijiazhuang Railway Station will be opend at December 21, 5 day before the Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR opened, all of the trains service on the original Beijing-Guangzhou line, Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan line, Shijiazhuang-Dezhou line and the Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan PDL will be moved to the new station on December 21.

The station has 13 platforms with 24 Departure/Arriving lines and 6 main lines, will be the biggest station of the Beijing Railway Breau.


















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Old December 19th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #5070
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But why such a strange decision? E5 does 300 on Tohoku Shinkansen, Sapsan does 250, yet on a small unpopulated section, but it does. Why Chinese can't?
Probably want to be on the safe side during the initial service. It would be indeed a bit strange if it wouldn't increase in the future.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #5071
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But why such a strange decision? E5 does 300 on Tohoku Shinkansen, Sapsan does 250, yet on a small unpopulated section, but it does. Why Chinese can't?
Because we have Mr. Sheng Gaozu.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #5072
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Harbin-Dalian HSR

During summer mode will be 300 km/h
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Old December 19th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #5073
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Because we have Mr. Sheng Gaozu.
Who, despite his youth, is not a mamber of 18th Central Committee of Chinese Communist Party.

Wen Jiabao´s council of state has 22 ministers. Note that while the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of 17th Central Committee of Chinese Communist Party had 9 members, the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of 18th Central Committee of Chinese Communist Party has just 7.

How many ministers shall Li Keqiang´s State Council have?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 11:13 PM   #5074
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Shijiazhuang Railway Station will be opend at December 21, 5 day before the Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR opened, all of the trains service on the original Beijing-Guangzhou line, Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan line, Shijiazhuang-Dezhou line and the Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan PDL will be moved to the new station on December 21.

The station has 13 platforms with 24 Departure/Arriving lines and 6 main lines, will be the biggest station of the Beijing Railway Breau.
Any tech data of the station? Such as total area, measurments (length, width)?

Also will there be direct CRH services from Shenzhen to Beijing?
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #5075
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Any tech data of the station? Such as total area, measurments (length, width)?

Also will there be direct CRH services from Shenzhen to Beijing?
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #5076
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Which means planes are competing with CRH already?
CRH is steadily grabbing more passengers from the airline industry that the airlines are forced to slash prices to compete, CRH doesn't need to provide more onboard services to keep the trains full right now, what they need is more train so the damn tickets are not that hard to get. During normal hours in weekdays it seems to me that everyone is riding it now that I can no longer just walk in and expect to be able to find a seat on the next train.

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But why such a strange decision? E5 does 300 on Tohoku Shinkansen, Sapsan does 250, yet on a small unpopulated section, but it does. Why Chinese can't?
The cited reason is because winters in that part of the country is tougher than other HSR systems in the world, for example temperature at Harbin can drop to as low as -40 degree C. The entire CRH system is considered 50km/h under speed limit anyway, so the line should be running at 250km/h winter and 350km/h summer.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #5077
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It doesn't really matter whatever it's -10 or -20. Unless it just for a first winter just to be sure it works as intended to work.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #5078
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Has it been disclosed at which date, or at which temperature, Dalian-Harbin high speed railway should be opened for G trains?
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Old December 20th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #5079
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Shijiazhuang Railway Station will be opend at December 21, 5 day before the Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR opened, all of the trains service on the original Beijing-Guangzhou line, Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan line, Shijiazhuang-Dezhou line and the Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan PDL will be moved to the new station on December 21.

The station has 13 platforms with 24 Departure/Arriving lines and 6 main lines, will be the biggest station of the Beijing Railway Breau.
So, New Shijizhuang Station will serve both high-speed and conventional trains. Is that a first in China?

Will there be night trains running on the line? I know of the maintenance break between 00:00 and 04:00, but I assume something like the following would be a useful service:
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     Beijing West    17:00
1220km                   179 km/h
     Xianning        23:50
 470km                   105 km/h
     Hengyang East   04:20
 510km                   176 km/h
     Guangzhou South 07:15
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a track schematic. I chose places where the lines cross, but I don't know if they're actually connected north of Xianning and Hengyang.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #5080
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So, New Shijizhuang Station will serve both high-speed and conventional trains. Is that a first in China?
No.
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