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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #5081
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No.
No as in "it's not the first in China" or no for "This will not serve conventional trains as well as CRH"
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Old December 21st, 2012, 12:43 AM   #5082
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No as in "it's not the first in China" or no for "This will not serve conventional trains as well as CRH"
The former.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 05:59 AM   #5083
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Travel time between Xi'an and Beijing will be reduced to 4:40 after December 26. Fastest train makes only 1 stop, at Zhengzhou East. Pretty sweet!
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 05:12 PM   #5084
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I heard on the news that the completion/opening of the Beijing-Guangzhou line was celebrated today (22nd). Is this true, or is it in fact still slated for Boxing Day?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 02:07 AM   #5085
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12.22 Beijing-Guangzhou HSR opens to media

8-hour experience



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Old December 23rd, 2012, 02:25 AM   #5086
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Thanks for posting the photos big-dog. Now waiting for the official oipening on the 26th.

Also in one of the videos it is shown that the train is going at 310km/h. I wonder what is the actual 'hard' limit of the speed where it is supposedly limited to 300km/h.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 08:19 AM   #5087
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12.22 Beijing-Guangzhou HSR opens to media

8-hour experience

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Those escalators looked scary to ride on..
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:26 PM   #5088
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Those escalators looked scary to ride on..
Fortunately they are not high-speed escalators...
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 05:38 PM   #5089
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12.22 Beijing-Guangzhou HSR opens to media

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I don't think there are any so called hard limit or system generated "hard stop" to the speed limit. I have ridden a lot of CRH trains that exceeded the "300 km" limit for a period of time. Some of them for more than 10 minutes.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:26 PM   #5090
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Can't wait for these high speed limits to be over....
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 08:32 PM   #5091
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I don't think there are any so called hard limit or system generated "hard stop" to the speed limit. I have ridden a lot of CRH trains that exceeded the "300 km" limit for a period of time. Some of them for more than 10 minutes.
I'm sure there is some sort of hard limit or at least some strict and very clear rules regarding speed. It shouldn't necessarily mean automatic stop of the train or emergency brakes but perhaps alert the central headquarters and then start investigation or discipline the train driver. Violation of a hard established speed limit in railways (let alone high speed ones) is a serious misconduct and a safety issue. Therefore it looks like the present limit of 300km/h is very much a 'soft' limit which can be ignored in many cases as shown in this case and many other cases where trains run well over 300km/h. I thought the deviation from the known limit was 5km/h or so but now we see that it is at least 10km/h. Could it be more than that?

Does anyone have more knowledge of this?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 09:00 PM   #5092
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The hard limit is 315 km/h on Beijing–Shanghai Line. The onboard software would auto brake the train if the driver tried to hit the limit. And the driver himself would also risk being fired by Mr. Sheng Gaozu in this case.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 09:09 PM   #5093
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Thanks fir explaining. That makes good sense. Although I wonder when are they going to increase the limits altogether? There was some talk about 320km/h recently but nothing since then.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:40 PM   #5094
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Here is a short clip in Chinese on the demonstration run for the media from Guanzhou to Beijing
in 8 hours, starting +20 degree C ending at -10 degree C.

http://www.56.com/redian/MTIwOTI4Mw/ODI0OTkyNjM.html

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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:48 PM   #5095
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in 8 hours, starting +20 degree C ending at -10 degree C.

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That's cool
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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #5096
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That's cool
Yup. Bordering on cold
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Old December 26th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #5097
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CRH is steadily grabbing more passengers from the airline industry that the airlines are forced to slash prices to compete, CRH doesn't need to provide more onboard services to keep the trains full right now, what they need is more train so the damn tickets are not that hard to get. During normal hours in weekdays it seems to me that everyone is riding it now that I can no longer just walk in and expect to be able to find a seat on the next train.
I can still walk on from Xian to Zhengzhou to Wuhan, and in SZX and CAN on the way back.

Local flights to SZX are very low now. 1000 Yuan round trip, there and back. This goes up only for CNY week. Xian to SZX is 1000 to 1300 r/t to fly.

That's much cheaper than taking the train (1500-1800 r/t) and much faster. But, again, if you like leg room then the train cannot be beat.

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Old December 26th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #5098
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That's much cheaper than taking the train, and much faster. But, again, if you like leg room then the train cannot be beat.
You could buy first class tickets on plane. How does the legroom compare against CRH?

The railway is to open today. Have the ticket prices been disclosed for, say, Shenzhen-Beijing?
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Old December 26th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #5099
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It doesn't really matter whatever it's -10 or -20. Unless it just for a first winter just to be sure it works as intended to work.
Of course it matters, there is significant difference in terms of material's properties when temperature drops from -20 to -40. I think it's perfectly reasonable to run HSR at different speeds according to seasons. The line's design speed is 250km/h in the winter and 350km/h in the summer, but due to the nationwide speed reduction everything is artifically lowered by 50km/h.
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Old December 26th, 2012, 06:30 AM   #5100
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I can still walk on from Xian to Zhengzhou to Wuhan, and in SZX and CAN on the way back.

Local flights to SZX are very low now. 1000 Yuan round trip, there and back. This goes up only for CNY week. Xian to SZX is 1000 to 1300 r/t to fly.

That's much cheaper than taking the train (1500-1800 r/t) and much faster. But, again, if you like leg room then the train cannot be beat.
Vast majority of the passengers on those trains don't ride the whole way anyway.
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