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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #5201
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My point was about time, traffic and very low avg transit speeds and my anecdote predates that line's operation.

It can be applied to any large city in China.
Yes, and since Pearl River delta has nowhere near enough CRH service to remove congestion from roads, it remains relevant.

2,75 hours for 130 km means 47 km/h average. Not bad in a city. What is the top speed on streets? 50 km/h?

For comparison, consider CRH services:
Guangzhou South - Shenzhen North (102 km) - 37 G trains daily
nonstops (6 daily) - 0:29 (average 211 km/h)
1 all-stop train daily - G6205, 3 stops (Qingcheng, Humen, Guangming) - 0:51 (average 120 km/h)
Guangzhou-Shenzhen (147 km) - 25 D trains daily
all make same 4 stops (Guangzhou East, Shilong, Dongguan, Zhangmutou)
travel time 1:31 to 1:44 (97 km/h to 85 km/h).
Guangzhou South - Zhuhai North (93 km) - 25 D trains daily
fastest D7601 (3 stops, 0:48, 116 km/h), slowest D7645 (8 stops, 1:13, 76 km/h).
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Old December 30th, 2012, 11:09 AM   #5202
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Old December 30th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #5203
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2,75 hours for 130 km means 47 km/h average. Not bad in a city. What is the top speed on streets? 50 km/h?
On the freeway? No, those speeds are terrible.

My long distance driving experience is North America and Europe.

Whilst the newer roads here APPEAR to be just like those, the cultural aspects mean that your effective avg speed is not 140kph but 80 or 90.

Since you save no time owning a car in China, and spend additional large sums of money on gas, tolls, the car, insurance and the Foreigner Liability Risk Premium, it makes sense to not have a car here. Unless you are a Director and a driver is part of your package.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #5204
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Beijing-Guangzhou HSR by 罗春晓 source


November 19th, 2012. Beijing.


December 8th, 2012. Beijing.


October 30th, 2012. Zhengzhou, Henan province.


November 11th, 2012. Luohe, Henan province.


November 13th, 2012. Xinyang, Henan province.


November 14th,2012. Xiaogan, Hubei province.


August 15th, 2010. Wuhan, Hubei province.


December 26th, 2009. Xianning, Hubei province.


Novemeber, 2009. Hengyang, Hunan province.


March 1st, 2010. Shaoguan, Guangdong province.


February 28th, 2010. Qingyuan, Guangdong province.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 07:59 PM   #5205
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Great pictures and my favorite CRH train!!! Definitely some rough terrain these lines seem to go through.

China is really working hard to make sure public transport around the country is fast and efficient. I was able to move around the country efficiently back in 2010 before most of these CRH lines were in operation. I can only imagine how much better getting around will be now and into the future.

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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #5206
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Since you save no time owning a car in China, and spend additional large sums of money on gas, tolls, the car, insurance and the Foreigner Liability Risk Premium, it makes sense to not have a car here. Unless you are a Director and a driver is part of your package.
And if the driver is free, why use him? A chauffeured limousine is no faster than the other cars stuck in the traffic, and no safer. All the director gets by hiring the chauffeur, in package or out of pocket, is get free of the work driving the car and be able to do something else on the back seat.

Do the Directors prefer buying first class and VIP tickets on CRH, and charging the tickets on the firm?
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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #5207
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Great pictures and my favorite CRH train!!! Definitely some rough terrain these lines seem to go through.

China is really working hard to make sure public transport around the country is fast and efficient. I was able to move around the country efficiently back in 2010 before most of these CRH lines were in operation. I can only imagine how much better getting around will be now and into the future.
The line south of Changsha is especially picturesque. It really looks like a painting or post card most of the way to Guangzhou as the photos above show. I am certain this was quite intentional to appeal to tourism.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 06:11 AM   #5208
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I liked the "December 8th, 2012. Beijing" one. 380A is so predominant in front of a washed background. Good photo.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 05:54 PM   #5209
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Beijing-Guangzhou HSR by 罗春晓 source


November 19th, 2012. Beijing.


December 8th, 2012. Beijing.


October 30th, 2012. Zhengzhou, Henan province.


November 11th, 2012. Luohe, Henan province.


November 13th, 2012. Xinyang, Henan province.


November 14th,2012. Xiaogan, Hubei province.


August 15th, 2010. Wuhan, Hubei province.


December 26th, 2009. Xianning, Hubei province.


Novemeber, 2009. Hengyang, Hunan province.


March 1st, 2010. Shaoguan, Guangdong province.


February 28th, 2010. Qingyuan, Guangdong province.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 06:01 PM   #5210
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The line south of Changsha is especially picturesque. It really looks like a painting or post card most of the way to Guangzhou as the photos above show. I am certain this was quite intentional to appeal to tourism.
I have to say that China is a beautiful country all over, I'd love to see this part of the line south of Changsha. Looks great.




Question about the Beijing-Guangzhou G train...it looks like it starts at Beijing West, does it also run through Beijing South? For some reason I thought all the G trains would run from Beijing South.

One day, hopefully, I'll come to truly understand what's going on with China's rail system.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 02:24 AM   #5211
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Question about the Beijing-Guangzhou G train...it looks like it starts at Beijing West, does it also run through Beijing South? For some reason I thought all the G trains would run from Beijing South.
Nope, not all G trains go to Beijing South. Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai really don't share any tracks, but they are connected physically. There is a branch line connecting the two, but if you look at the map you'll see that both stations depart towards southwest and then the one to Guangzhou will take a slightly western turn while the one to Shanghai takes an eastern route. A train coming from Shanghai will not pass Beijing West, and a train from Guangzhou will not pass through Beijing South, this is just like Shanghai Station and Hongqiao. They probably did this so that Beijing South is not overloaded, the two stations are pretty close to each other, the straight line distance is only about 5 km, once a direct shuttle train is available between the two they will essentially become one station. Having going through both stations I have to say Beijing really should start thinking about either expanding South or build a new one.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 06:33 AM   #5212
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12.31 Guangzhou-Zhuhai HSR opens

First CRH train D7603 completes Guangzhou South to Zhuhai (Gongbei) trip in 68 minutes.

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Old January 1st, 2013, 02:08 PM   #5213
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Nope, not all G trains go to Beijing South. Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai really don't share any tracks, but they are connected physically. There is a branch line connecting the two, but if you look at the map you'll see that both stations depart towards southwest and then the one to Guangzhou will take a slightly western turn while the one to Shanghai takes an eastern route. A train coming from Shanghai will not pass Beijing West, and a train from Guangzhou will not pass through Beijing South, this is just like Shanghai Station and Hongqiao. They probably did this so that Beijing South is not overloaded, the two stations are pretty close to each other, the straight line distance is only about 5 km, once a direct shuttle train is available between the two they will essentially become one station. Having going through both stations I have to say Beijing really should start thinking about either expanding South or build a new one.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 08:21 PM   #5214
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Nope, not all G trains go to Beijing South. Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai really don't share any tracks, but they are connected physically. There is a branch line connecting the two, but if you look at the map you'll see that both stations depart towards southwest and then the one to Guangzhou will take a slightly western turn while the one to Shanghai takes an eastern route. A train coming from Shanghai will not pass Beijing West, and a train from Guangzhou will not pass through Beijing South, this is just like Shanghai Station and Hongqiao. They probably did this so that Beijing South is not overloaded, the two stations are pretty close to each other, the straight line distance is only about 5 km, once a direct shuttle train is available between the two they will essentially become one station. Having going through both stations I have to say Beijing really should start thinking about either expanding South or build a new one.
I see, Beijing West -> Guangzhou South, Beijing South -> Shanghai Hongqaio.

I can also see how this works on the map. Good to see that not everyone needs to go to one station to take all trains south. What's the progress on this shuttle train? Do new tracks need to be laid for it?


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12.31 Guangzhou-Zhuhai HSR opens

First CRH train D7603 completes Guangzhou South to Zhuhai (Gongbei) trip in 68 minutes.

What's the distance between the two stations and how long does the non-stop train take? Wikipedia shows a value of 116 for distance but no measurement. Another article mentions 142 km (88 miles) in 48 minutes http://tinyurl.com/bj2ch6x , probably express which is pretty damn fast, beats the hell out of driving.
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The distance between Guangzhou South and Zhuhai (Gongbei) is 116km, right now there are no non-stop train, the quickest one takes 72 minutes.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 06:23 PM   #5216
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I scored a VIP 1st Class Sight Seeing seat for my trip back today.

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 11:17 PM   #5217
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The distance between Guangzhou South and Zhuhai (Gongbei) is 116km, right now there are no non-stop train, the quickest one takes 72 minutes.
It's almost one Yuan for every minute.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 12:45 AM   #5218
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I scored a VIP 1st Class Sight Seeing seat for my trip back today.
My understanding is that on CRH380A there are no seats directly behind the driver so you can see through the glass wall and view out of the main windshield. Only on CRH3/380B.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 01:13 AM   #5219
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the straight line distance is only about 5 km, once a direct shuttle train is available between the two they will essentially become one station.
is that shuttle train in any way related to this long-delayed boondoggle?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...8&postcount=22


http://www.cctv.com/english/special/...9/103579.shtml
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The distance between Guangzhou South and Zhuhai (Gongbei) is 116km, right now there are no non-stop train, the quickest one takes 72 minutes.
Thanks for the clarification. What was the best way to get to Zhuhai before this line was opened? Car/Bus?

Interesting that this train pretty much goes a mile per minute. Although I wish it was a faster line like the Shanghai -> Hangzhou or Beijing -> Tianjin line, this is probably a hell of a lot better than the previous transport options.


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is that shuttle train in any way related to this long-delayed boondoggle?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...8&postcount=22


http://www.cctv.com/english/special/...9/103579.shtml
Why would a connector project be a boondoggle?

Also...is there going to be a similar connector to Beijing South? Maybe a triangle of rapid transit connections is in order.

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