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Old January 4th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #5241
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The Guangzhou-Zhuhai line is just the first of a number of intercity commuter train lines planned. This including the Guangzhou-Foshan-Zhaoqin line, Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen line, Guangzhou-Foshan Loop line, and Dongguan-Huizhou line. All those lines are under construction with various opening dates around 2016.
Is Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen going to be an all new line along the Guangshen line? In that case Guangzhou and Shenzhen will have 3 railway lines connecting both cities. I love the fact that they are developing fast commuter services in the PRD. The infrastructure already looks damn impressive in that part of China and once all of that gets done it will be pretty much out of this world.

Is there a map showing all commuter rail line plans in the PRD?
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Old January 5th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #5242
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The Guangzhou-Zhuhai line is just the first of a number of intercity commuter train lines planned. This including the Guangzhou-Foshan-Zhaoqin line, Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen line, Guangzhou-Foshan Loop line, and Dongguan-Huizhou line. All those lines are under construction with various opening dates around 2016.
Thank goodness. Pearl River Delta is massive and getting around is very time consuming.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:53 AM   #5243
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What is the best way to route G trains between Tianjin and Shijiazhuang? Via Beijing, or elsewhere?

As of now, the D trains from Manchuria need to use slow railway from Qinhuangdao to Tianjin or Beijing. In which year shall the high speed railway Tianjin-Qinhuangdao be opened, whereupon the whole route from Tianjin to Harbin, Jilin and Dalian shall be no less than 250 km/h?
There is a Tianjin-Baoding line under construction, which merges into Beijing Guangzhou HSR near the city of Baoding which is just north of Shijiazhuang. The design speed is
250km/h. It is scheduled to open in 2013 or 2014, after which there is no need to detour to Beijing. This line perhaps is the most difficult to build in China, not for technical reasons but for political ones. It was approved some 20 years ago and still not finished.
Tianjin-Qinhuangdao line is supposed to open 2013.

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Old January 5th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #5244
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Is Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen going to be an all new line along the Guangshen line? In that case Guangzhou and Shenzhen will have 3 railway lines connecting both cities. I love the fact that they are developing fast commuter services in the PRD. The infrastructure already looks damn impressive in that part of China and once all of that gets done it will be pretty much out of this world.

Is there a map showing all commuter rail line plans in the PRD?
With some planned metro and HSR lines etched in but very vague ATM but still gives you an idea of the beast that's emerging.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 05:38 PM   #5245
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Wow.

I was looking at a map and noticed the Strait of Taiwan. 70m deep.

That could be a tunnel.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #5246
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With some planned metro and HSR lines etched in but very vague ATM but still gives you an idea of the beast that's emerging.
Thanks. Looks impressive. Any chance to get it translated into english? At least the meanings of colored lines?
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Old January 5th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #5247
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With some planned metro and HSR lines etched in but very vague ATM but still gives you an idea of the beast that's emerging.
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From which year is the map? Some things look a bit outdated.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #5248
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Black and white lines are slow speed railways; pure white lines must be HSR lines, existing and future.

Are there any plans specifying the opening dates of the suburban lines? Guangzhou-Zhuhai is open and seems black... what shall be the next to open?
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #5249
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There is a Tianjin-Baoding line under construction, which merges into Beijing Guangzhou HSR near the city of Baoding which is just north of Shijiazhuang. The design speed is
250km/h. It is scheduled to open in 2013 or 2014, after which there is no need to detour to Beijing.
On Google Earth imaginary I can trace construction of Xushui - Bazhou railroad but it forks from classic Baoding - Xushui - Beijing line and looks like continuation of Bazhou - Tianjin classical line which at its end merges into classical Tianjin - Beijing line.

Even on newest pictures from 2012 I cannot find any trace of other Baoding - Tianjin rail. Are you sure there is HSR link under construction?
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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #5250
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On Google Earth imaginary I can trace construction of Xushui - Bazhou railroad but it forks from classic Baoding - Xushui - Beijing line and looks like continuation of Bazhou - Tianjin classical line which at its end merges into classical Tianjin - Beijing line.

Even on newest pictures from 2012 I cannot find any trace of other Baoding - Tianjin rail. Are you sure there is HSR link under construction?
Yes. It is well underway. Google earth is not up to date.
Here is a picture onsite from summer 2012. The text is in Chinese.

http://www.lfnews.cn/viewnews-389506.html




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Old January 6th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #5251
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Also, the price is definitely low (in the context of China, I guess it's not), but I think a Boston - D.C. ticket on the Acela is closer to $150-170, right?
Depends on what you compare it with. If you look at Europe and compare it to Ryanair's airtravel fares, this is still extremely expensive. I fly from Oslo to Berlin next week for 11 euro(!)
Only hand baggage included though.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 03:37 AM   #5252
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Depends on what you compare it with. If you look at Europe and compare it to Ryanair's airtravel fares, this is still extremely expensive. I fly from Oslo to Berlin next week for 11 euro(!)
Only hand baggage included though.
what kind of airplane ticket cost 11 euro? I want to join too.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:30 AM   #5253
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what kind of airplane ticket cost 11 euro? I want to join too.
A couple of years ago I paid something like 5 Euros for a Ryanair flight. Nowadays 10 Euro tickets are not common but for 30-40 Euros you can easily get return flights to many destinations.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:13 AM   #5254
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what kind of airplane ticket cost 11 euro? I want to join too.
The flight is for cargo. That's the money maker. Passengers have no luggage, only a few kgs. So all the cargo hold earns revenue and the seats are an afterthought.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:21 AM   #5255
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Thanks. Looks impressive. Any chance to get it translated into english? At least the meanings of colored lines?
Black - Under Construction (you can tell this is already outdated)
Red - To be built soon
Blue - Planned
Green - Long term wish list
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #5256
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Search Oslo Rygge to Berlin Shonefeld. You'll find alot of tickets for that price the comming few months. However, they are not that common. true.

However, if you add luggage, the price of one bag adds about another 20 euro
ANd then they have an expensive insurance available. And expensive cancellation charges (sometimes pricier than the cost of the ticket itself, lol)
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Old January 6th, 2013, 06:56 AM   #5257
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From which year is the map? Some things look a bit outdated.
don't know but definitely not current and the alignments are very general but it gives a good idea of whats going on.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:05 AM   #5258
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Very interesting map, although I wish there were more and easier connection between some of the lines. Between Guangzhou East and South in particular. Taking the metro between the two stations takes about 45 minutes, so some underground connection there would be great.
And where does the black new intercity line between shenzhen and guangzhou end up? DOes it both have a stop at guangzhou south as well as guangzhou airport? And how about that yellow dot north west of guangzhou airport? Is that a stop for both the HSR train, the old low speed rail and the intercity red upcomming circle line?
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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:06 AM   #5259
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Search Oslo Rygge to Berlin Shonefeld. You'll find alot of tickets for that price the comming few months. However, they are not that common. true.

However, if you add luggage, the price of one bag adds about another 20 euro
ANd then they have an expensive insurance available. And expensive cancellation charges (sometimes pricier than the cost of the ticket itself, lol)
In parts of Europe and Japan, low cost airlines have won back market share from high speed trains through ultra-low fares. The Chinese government does not permit a RyanAir in China, and I wonder whether the high speed rail network will further discourage them from deregulating the airline sector.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #5260
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Black - Under Construction (you can tell this is already outdated)
Yes - two branches of Guangzhou-Zhuhai have been opened.

The other blacks are Guangzhou-Shenzhen, Guangzhou-Huizhou and Guangzhou-Zhaoqing.

How is the construction progress and when shall these three lines be opened for traffic?
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