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Old March 2nd, 2013, 10:38 AM   #5501
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China's high - speed railway line linking Beijing and Shanghai has recorded over 100 million passenger trips since it started operation in June 2011, railway authorities announced on Thursday.
Meaning 1 year 8 months.

Tokaido Shinkansen needed over 2 years, from October 1964 till sometime in 1967, to record 100 million passengers.
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 05:20 PM   #5502
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I think the current CRH tracks can handle far more capacity. So far, frequencies on the major lines can still be bunched up further, like what I've seen in Taiwan (departures every 10-20 minutes).
True, I think this will be a case of learn, increase frequency, learn, repeat.

Still, the old slow trains need to double up on capacity for those who cannot afford them. Double decker cars, more frequent trains, speed increases would all help but freight bottlenecks it all.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:15 AM   #5503
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Meaning 1 year 8 months.

Tokaido Shinkansen needed over 2 years, from October 1964 till sometime in 1967, to record 100 million passengers.
So, there is a possibility that Beijjing-Shanghai will become the most heavily-used HSR line in the world...
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 07:19 AM   #5504
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It is more like an eventuality.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:27 AM   #5505
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So, there is a possibility that Beijjing-Shanghai will become the most heavily-used HSR line in the world...
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It is more like an eventuality.
It depends on the frequency of how many trains can depart within a certain amount of time.
Shinkansen has 13 trains depart within an hour or one per 4 and a half minutes. When the Shinkansen inaugurated in 1964 it was less then one per 15 minutes so there has been a giant leap there.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 09:07 AM   #5506
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It depends on the frequency of how many trains can depart within a certain amount of time.
Shinkansen has 13 trains depart within an hour or one per 4 and a half minutes.
Which station, direction and hour?

From Tokyo towards Nagoya I find at most 11 trains, between 18:00 and 19:00 - the usual 10 hourly trains, plus an extra Kodama at 18:37. But where do you find 13 trains?
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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:55 AM   #5507
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A viaduct is seen over farmland in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, Feb. 28, 2013. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)



Engineers from China Academy of Railway Sciences collect data for the integration test in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, Feb. 26, 2013. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)



Construction workers and engineers examine rail tracks in the Huzhou Railway Station in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, March. 16, 2012. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)
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So, there is a possibility that Beijjing-Shanghai will become the most heavily-used HSR line in the world...
I contributed to 4 such trips. However, I believe Beijing-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Hong Kong will be more popular. More big city along the way than Beijing-Tianjin-Jinan-Nanjing-Shanghai.

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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #5509
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I contributed to 4 such trips. However, I believe Beijing-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Hong Kong will be more popular. More big city along the way than Beijing-Tianjin-Jinan-Nanjing-Shanghai.

But I think there will be more passengers to do the entire Beijing-Shanghai, then will do the entire Beijing-Guangzhou or Beijing-Hong Kong, because travel time for those distances is just too high.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #5510
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-03/01/132201750_11n.jpg

A viaduct is seen over farmland in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, Feb. 28, 2013. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ph...201750_51n.jpg

Engineers from China Academy of Railway Sciences collect data for the integration test in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, Feb. 26, 2013. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ph...201750_61n.jpg

Construction workers and engineers examine rail tracks in the Huzhou Railway Station in Huzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, March. 16, 2012. The 150-kilometer Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway linking Hangzhou and Ningbo, two hub cities in Zhejiang, commenced its integration test here on Friday. Once put into operation on July 2013 as expected, the high-speed railway that designed at a top speed of 350km/h, would reduce the travel time to 36 minitues, a quarter time of the current two-hour journey. (Xinhua/Tan Jin)
Cool pictures. Why are they showing pictures of Huzhou when that town isn't between Hangzhou and Ningbo? Huzhou is north west of Hangzhou according to Google maps.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #5511
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Maybe they are confusing it with the Nanjing - Hangzhou line?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #5512
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3.1 Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR starts testing run with CRH380D

Length: 149.89km, 7 stations
Design speed: 350km/h
Cost: 21.2 bln yuan
Construction: April 2009 ~ March 2013

The new constructed HSR will open in July 2013.





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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #5513
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I contributed to 4 such trips. However, I believe Beijing-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Hong Kong will be more popular. More big city along the way than Beijing-Tianjin-Jinan-Nanjing-Shanghai.
You also have to consider the purchasing power of the population. China has a very small middle class and upper class compared to the lower class. Beijing-Shanghai has good market value because most of the purchasing power is there.
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3.1 Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR starts testing run with CRH380D

Length: 149.89km, 7 stations
Design speed: 350km/h
Cost: 21.2 bln yuan
Construction: April 2009 ~ March 2013

The new constructed HSR will open in July 2013.





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This is awesome! I wonder if they plan to start running the CRH380D on this line. I bet it's nice to have an entire line free of traffic for a few months to test new trains.
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But I think there will be more passengers to do the entire Beijing-Shanghai, then will do the entire Beijing-Guangzhou or Beijing-Hong Kong, because travel time for those distances is just too high.
Indeed, bulk of Beijing-Guangzhou travel will be from central province cities to and from Beijing or Guangzhou. There is a lot of travel needs in that area, and it makes the bulk of spring time travel rush.
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You also have to consider the purchasing power of the population. China has a very small middle class and upper class compared to the lower class. Beijing-Shanghai has good market value because most of the purchasing power is there.
Small in proportion but huge in absolute numbers. The size of China's middle class is around 300 million, which is a gigantic number. Considering Beijing and Shanghai are the key government and economic centres amongst the 300 million, I'm not at all surprised the HSR line will become the busiest in the world.

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Small in proportion but huge in absolute numbers. The size of China's middle class is around 300 million, which is a gigantic number.
It is also growing at a visible pace year over year. I can see this from 5 years ago to present, with ease.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #5518
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Small in proportion but huge in absolute numbers. The size of China's middle class is around 300 million, which is a gigantic number. Considering Beijing and Shanghai are the key government and economic centres amongst the 300 million, I'm not at all surprised the HSR line will become the busiest in the world.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/25/news...lass/index.htm
Especially since the third centre, Shenzhen, is somewhat more distant from either Beijing or Shanghai.

What would the distance be Guangzhou-Changsha-Nanchang-Hangzhou-Shanghai when Changsha-Nanchang-Hangzhou high speed railway shall have opened?
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Drove by the Datong line today and scores of workers ascending to the track bed to work on ballast-less installs (I believe). Articulated concrete pumper trucks at the ready. No rail being laid that was visible.
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Pics or it didn't happen. :P
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