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Old April 14th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #5741
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ID checks are needed to prevent scalping, which was common in China before this policy was implemented. This has nothing to do with communism--it is to prevent people with shady intentions from ripping off honest people trying to get a ride home.

I give China thumbs up for the move.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #5742
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But it would be better if they also let foreigners buy tickets in advance with their foreign passport/ID, preferably on an English language website.

Anyone know if there are any plans for this?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #5743
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The topic of this thread is HSR in China, not political systems or Communism. If it goes to such offtopic call it what you want (if not trolling) but it's not meant to be discussed here which is why it has been brought to the attention of forum moderators.
It's still in relation to the topic at hand, ID checks for riding the railways.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #5744
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I think things will change in europe in that regard as the hsr network is getting expanded. The european network will be made into one, and then youmight need to show your passport/ID because of countries like britain. But its just a hunsh anyway...

Same thing might apply to the chinese hsr in case it goes international. In the long run at least. Right now they'll just dump you off the train (like between singapore and malaysia), leaving you in a queue for 20-30 minuts.. But thats so rigorous!
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #5745
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Same thing might apply to the chinese hsr in case it goes international. In the long run at least. Right now they'll just dump you off the train (like between singapore and malaysia), leaving you in a queue for 20-30 minuts.. But thats so rigorous!
Chinese low speed rail already is international. And the high speed rail goes international when Futian-Kowloon West high speed railway shall open.

Which Chinese low speed railway stations now have direct train services to Kowloon Station, and what are the border crossing arrangements?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #5746
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I wouldn't count Hong Kong as truly international. Other than that I know that there is a regular speed passenger connection to Mongolia and Russia. Are there any at the moment to other neighbouring countries?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #5747
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Other than that I know that there is a regular speed passenger connection to Mongolia and Russia. Are there any at the moment to other neighbouring countries?
Kazakhstan - at least Urumqi-Almaty
Vietnam, via Pingxiang

At the moment, not sure about the services to Democratic People´s Republic of Korea. I expect trains are running, just not taking foreign passengers.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 05:47 AM   #5748
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It's still in relation to the topic at hand, ID checks for riding the railways.
ID checks are recent (2010) procedure, in an effort to combat scalping making online ticketing, purchasing from vending machines, buying tickets from legit 3rd party resellers possible. It has nothing to do with political systems, or else democratic America won't check your ID when you board a plane either.

If you have ridden the train in the bad old days, you'll appreciate ID check. when you either have wait hours at the ticket window to get the ticket or buying it from scalpers, board the train only to discover the ticket you brought is fake and must buy a unreserved (standing) ticket once on board. (happened to me once.)

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Old April 15th, 2013, 05:55 AM   #5749
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Old April 15th, 2013, 06:01 AM   #5750
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It's not a problem for airlines, is it? Nothing truly new needs to be invented here. Buy your ticket online, pay with your credit/debit card (if needed the system could put a limit to the number of tickets one can buy with one card), print your ticket with your name and a bar code on it, show your ID upon boarding a train. I don't see how scalpers would get around it easily...
Buy something with a credit card in China... Have you even being to China? I know more people pay stuff using Q Coins than those that has and use credit cards, or have checking accounts. Majority of people's interaction with Banks are CDs (定期存款) and possibly savings accounts (活期存款). Outside of few shops and foreign owned business in big cities like Beijing and Shanghai, credit cards are not accepted, and when they are used, it's often the foreigners that's using it.

okay, let's go back HSR.

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Old April 15th, 2013, 08:04 AM   #5751
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I wouldn't count Hong Kong as truly international. Other than that I know that there is a regular speed passenger connection to Mongolia and Russia. Are there any at the moment to other neighbouring countries?
For it to be truly international high-speed rail it should be high-speed on both sides of the border and have a reasonable way of doing border control. As I have heard of no activity on the Russian or Mongolian side I assume the first one will be Kunming-Laos. If that one is for some reason delayed Kunming-Vietnam or less likely Nanning-Vietnam could be the first. Kunming seems set to be the high-speed (and to less extent air) gate to SE Asia.

I speculated on Ürümqi-Almaty/Astana which lead to a discussion continued here, rail gauges and all. A HSR Jilin-Seoul or possibly Dandong-Seoul would make a lot of sense technically, but not likely to happen unless there is a major attitude change on the North Korean side.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:32 AM   #5752
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okay, let's go back HSR.
Indeed.

It is 15th already.

How has the spring weather been in Manchuria?

And what are the plans regarding the speed of Harbin-Shenyang-Dalian high speed railway?
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:58 AM   #5753
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Right now they'll just dump you off the train (like between singapore and malaysia), leaving you in a queue for 20-30 minuts.. But thats so rigorous!
I think you are being sarcastic? 20 minutes to queue for a train is nothing to make a connection. People wait at the gates in China, standing, for longer to board a CRH.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #5754
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But it would be better if they also let foreigners buy tickets in advance with their foreign passport/ID, preferably on an English language website.
They already do this with 12306.cn and it is in Chinese. Many sites in China have an English counterpart but current translations are very weak at best. Google Chrome and its many flavours all offer right click translation in scores of languages including Chinese. You can use a foreign passport and register and get an account as I have, and order tickets using Alipay to pay for them. When you board there is a line for the Rail Office purchased tickets and the online purchased tickets as the two are visibly different.

As has been mentioned many times the ID check began when lots of people began to use 12306 to buy up huge lots of tickets and then scalp them to travelers. To minimise this they require one ID per each ticket unless it's a child and even then most children in China have an ID.

Since the language and cultural hurdles are massive for all non-Chinese, many travelers to China who wish to get tickets before arrival use an agent. It's much much more expensive than standing at a window yourself, but most travelers to China cannot navigate the process so the money is well spent.

If you have a friend in China they can buy it for you in advance, but the ID issue comes up.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #5755
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Why is the website called 12306? I've noticed some websites and even Chinese forum usernames are just numbers sometimes.

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Old April 16th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #5756
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I think you are being sarcastic? 20 minutes to queue for a train is nothing to make a connection. People wait at the gates in China, standing, for longer to board a CRH.
Well, I haven't taken a cross border train to China (except the eastern railroad in Hong Kong leaving me at the border in Shenzhen, but I'm not sure that counts.

On the Singapore - Malaysia cross border train we all got tossed off to jump into a passport line for aproximately 25 minutes, so I'm assuming it will take around the same time on lines such at the Kunming - Laos line. The traffic there will probably not be as bad as in some of the major cities, and less cars too.

And you can't compare it to "waiting for a train". I'm talking about when you have a ticket, and the provider has a train ready waiting for the passenger. I assume thats how it will be on lines like the Kunming - Vientiane line.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 05:00 AM   #5757
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Why is the website called 12306? I've noticed some websites and even Chinese forum usernames are just numbers sometimes.
12306 is the MOR's toll free number.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #5758
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12306 is the MOR's toll free number.
Thanks, that makes sense.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:11 AM   #5759
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #5760
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When xiamen shenzen section will open?

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