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Old April 19th, 2013, 02:50 AM   #5781
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One thing I really dislike in China is the protectionism(I mean no offense, we also do it in the states at some degree), can't they act normal just like the rest of the world? Visa, Amex and MasterCard are accepted worldwide, with very little exceptions, these setbacks are counter productive rather than helping.
There was a WTO ruling not too long ago that they have to open that market more (they agreed to it when they joined back in the early aughties, but haven't done much since then). At this point, though, UnionPay is pretty much the de facto force.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I guess. But I think they're learning that stifling competition hurts consumers, and in this next iteration of the economic growth, the consumer will be king.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #5782
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Hmm I live in China, it was hard for me to make payments for my internet and phone service locally without getting ripped, they only accepted Unionpay unconditionally which made me open an account and start using that service, but if you try paying anything outside China there's no deals with outsiders. So yes they are acting way different than the rest of the world.

When I talk about protectionism, I meant to say a different kind yet the same thing, as a matter of fact almost every nation does it some way or another, but in China is extremely obvious and there's no end in sight for now.

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Old April 19th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #5783
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2 days later, this piece of news was released: http://www.ln.xinhuanet.com/newscent..._115155097.htm

speed increase schedule is:
1. beginning of April: test train running at 300 km/h;
2. mid April: empty trains running at 300 km/h;
3. 21st April:all trains in service run at 300 km/h.
Thatīs on this Sunday, in 2 days. Any updates?
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Old April 19th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #5784
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One thing I really dislike in China is the protectionism(I mean no offense, we also do it in the states at some degree), can't they act normal just like the rest of the world? Visa, Amex and MasterCard are accepted worldwide, with very little exceptions, these setbacks are counter productive rather than helping.
The idea is to incubate Chinese business and industry, but there is a factor that precedes the 20th C. and has been common in Chinese culture for millennium.

Anyways, back to the trains!
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Old April 19th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #5785
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This line is progressing nicely, static acceptance was completed on March 29th, so it's still ontime for opening in August.
How is progress on the Xi'an - Datong line coming along?
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Old April 19th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #5786
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How is progress on the Xi'an - Datong line coming along?
Datong-Xi'an has kept a low profile and there isn't much news about it, AFAIK it's still on time and schedule to open next year. The bridge girder erection machine accident they had last year didn't seem to have affected the progress.
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Old April 20th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #5787
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Then what are the high speed railways due to open this year?

Tomorrow - speeding up Harbin-Dalian high speed railway
July - Nanjing-Hangzhou-Ningbo high speed railway
August - Tianjin-Qinhuangdao high speed railway
October - Panjin-Yingkou high speed railway
Xiamen-Shenzhen high speed railway
December - Lichuan-Chongqing high speed railway

Is the list correct?
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Old April 20th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #5788
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Fun fact: I obviously can't speak for what he was thinking when he said it, but I can point out that often, we (maybe just in the US?) use "credit cards" for anything plastic. Even if it is a debit card (which can often still be used as credit cards).
Unfortunately years of accounting / economics have drilled debt, credit, deposit and demand deposit in me, so not only credit card / debt card is different; cash card (also include the so call gift cards), debit card, ATM cards etc are all different animal to me as well. (However cash card, paypal, Alipay, SMS payments are the same, while Paypal, Alipay is different from QQ coin and BitCoin)

Also Visa, Master Card and union pay don't issue cards, they offer transaction processing services while the cards are issued by banks. (AMEX does both, which also do cash cards)

Back to HSR, has the reforms to MoR made any impact yet? I love to see purchasing window widened and being able to book tickets on travel websites (Like ctrip or qunar, or even in the future travelocity) rather than that online system that only works properly in Internet Explorer.
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Old April 20th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #5789
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Then what are the high speed railways due to open this year?

Tomorrow - speeding up Harbin-Dalian high speed railway
July - Nanjing-Hangzhou-Ningbo high speed railway
August - Tianjin-Qinhuangdao high speed railway
October - Panjin-Yingkou high speed railway
Xiamen-Shenzhen high speed railway
December - Lichuan-Chongqing high speed railway

Is the list correct?
What about Changsha-Kunming? Is not that scheduled to open this year also?
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Old April 21st, 2013, 01:25 AM   #5790
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I was hoping to see some Linux goodies in China
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Old April 21st, 2013, 09:46 AM   #5791
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Thatīs on this Sunday, in 2 days. Any updates?
here it comes.
Right now I can only find reports in Chinese. One of them by China Daily:http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hqgj/jr...t_8821737.html

First 300km/h trains have set off at 9:20 in the morning , Beijing time.

The summer schedule will save passengers 1hr48min from Harbin to Dalian. The shortest travel time between these two places is now 3hr30min.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 10:12 AM   #5792
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What about Changsha-Kunming? Is not that scheduled to open this year also?
Changsha-Kunming PDL (Part of Shanghai-Kunming HSR) didn't start construction until Sept 2010, and it's set to open late 2015.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 12:52 AM   #5793
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Harbin-Dalian:
fastest 3:30 (G66 and G68), no D service left
Harbin-Shenyang:
fastest 1:58 (G66 and G68), fastest D train 2:22 (D602)
Harbin-Changchun:
fastest 0:54 (G66 and G68), fastest D train s 1:03 (D30 and D602)

Harbin-Jilin:
fastest 1:47 (G386), no D service left
Harbin-Beijing:
fastest 7:09 (D602)
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 01:05 AM   #5794
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Does:

"Harbin-Beijing:
fastest 7:09 (D602)"

use the new 300 km/h line? If so: does the D train actually go 300 km/h on that section?

If no: why is there no G train from Beijing to Harbin, which partly runs on the upgraded track from Beijing to Shenyang, and then uses the full speed of the new line between Shenyang and Harbin?

The D train does seem to be faster than before, because when I took the D train nearly 2 years ago, it was about 8 hours for the fastest service.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 01:59 AM   #5795
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You kind of answered your own question, because of Beijing to Shenyang part.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 03:25 AM   #5796
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You kind of answered your own question, because of Beijing to Shenyang part.
D trains have a maximum speed of 200 km/h (used to be 250 km/h). However, the part from Shenyang to Harbin is capable of 300 km/h, so D trains don't take advantage of this.

That's why I asked whether there is a train from Beijing to Harbin that uses the upgraded track at 200 or 250 km/h, and then uses the new track from Shenyang to Harbin at 300 km/h.

I certainly did not answer that question myself
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 05:40 AM   #5797
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Then what are the high speed railways due to open this year?

Tomorrow - speeding up Harbin-Dalian high speed railway
July - Nanjing-Hangzhou-Ningbo high speed railway
August - Tianjin-Qinhuangdao high speed railway
October - Panjin-Yingkou high speed railway
Xiamen-Shenzhen high speed railway
December - Lichuan-Chongqing high speed railway

Is the list correct?
I'm expecting Lichuan-Chongqing HSR opening so I can take the HSR all along from Shanghai to Chengdu
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 05:41 AM   #5798
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4.21 Harbin-Dalian HSR start summer time-space diagram



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Old April 22nd, 2013, 09:59 AM   #5799
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Does:

"Harbin-Beijing:
fastest 7:09 (D602)"

use the new 300 km/h line? If so: does the D train actually go 300 km/h on that section?
It covers Harbin West-Changchun West-Shenyang North in 2:22, and the distance is 538 km. This is impossible at 200 km/h.
Schedule does not show actual top speed, though.
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If no: why is there no G train from Beijing to Harbin, which partly runs on the upgraded track from Beijing to Shenyang, and then uses the full speed of the new line between Shenyang and Harbin?
Not sure why, but I think there are no G trains on slow lines elsewhere in China either.
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The D train does seem to be faster than before, because when I took the D train nearly 2 years ago, it was about 8 hours for the fastest service.
D602 runs only Harbin-Beijing. In the direction Beijing-Harbin, fastest D trains seem to be 7:52 still.
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It looks pretty good...
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