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Old May 21st, 2013, 10:06 AM   #5941
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What CRH trainsets have sleeper cabins?
CRH1E, CRH2E

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Are the hole-in-the wall places referring to the places somewhere in the city, or hole-in-the-wall places within the buildings of high speed railway stations?

Do any amenities whatsoever exist on the platform side of ticket and security checks in high speed railway stations?
Compare to normal place in the city, the food vendors are pretty reasonably priced because there are always choices right outside the stations. I don't know any HSR stations that offers any kind of food services after passing the ticketing gates. I've seen vending machines though. It's not necessary though since you are only allowed on the platform minutes before departure so no one is suppose to linger on the platform, thus no time to purchase any food. There are plenty in the waiting room anyway.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #5942
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Here's the problem: it would cost a HUGE amount of money just to get the right of way for a high-speed rail system here in the USA. For example, to get the right of way to get the Acela trains to consistently run over 120 mph between Washington, DC and Boston would require buying right of way and doing current right of way improvements that could run into the several tens of billions of US dollars. And that's not including building sound walls and/or soundproofing buildings near the tracks when you have trains blasting by with noise levels like this:


China, because of its Communist rule, can build their CRH system because the government will have their way to where to construct the line--something the USA doesn't have.
So you are saying Europe and Japan are communist too.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 03:53 PM   #5943
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So you are saying Europe and Japan are communist too.
Don't forget Taiwan ;-)
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Old May 21st, 2013, 05:51 PM   #5944
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Night originating trains

I discovered that in addition to D overnight stains, sometimes making some stops at night, which still make sense, China also has D trains originating at odd hours of the night.

For example, destined for Shanghai:
D672, Nanchang-Hongqiao, originates 1:32, arrives 9:28
D636, Yingtan-Hongqiao, originates 2:40, arrives 9:23
D638/D644, Yingtan-Hongqiao, originates 3:04, arrives 9:51
D629/D632, Zhengzhou-Hongqiao, originates 3:50, arrives 10:46.

What kind of trains serve these routes?
And what is the goal of such scheduling?
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Old May 21st, 2013, 06:37 PM   #5945
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From what I've experienced, the food is better than airline meals, but average. The price is exorbitant and is about 3 to 4 times what you'd expect at a hole-in-the-wall place in Beijing or Shanghai.
Agreed. It's ok food but not great. To get good food at good prices you need to buy something before you arrive at the CRH train station. These stations are often out of the way and do not have many local amenities as the older train stations do. The food is standard airport corporate contract bidding fare, and it's absurdly overpriced.

If you can get a meal and eat at your local restaurant before the trip, and bring a bag of snacks you buy before you arrive at the station, you can save 100Yuan easily. They have lessened restrictions so bringing liquids in should be ok, now. Should. Don't hold me to that.

Anything you buy in the ZHGT CRH train or station will be very overpriced. Just like any airport, anywhere.

So plan ahead and eat before you leave and pick up some snacks before you leave home. You will save YYY
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Old May 21st, 2013, 06:42 PM   #5946
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So you are saying Europe and Japan are communist too.
He probably means Dirigiste with very limited private property rights.

France is more Socialist than the PRC at this stage but has more property rights.

The USA is not very Dirigisme and has very strong property rights but those are weakening.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 06:44 PM   #5947
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Are the hole-in-the wall places referring to the places somewhere in the city, or hole-in-the-wall places within the buildings of high speed railway stations?

Do any amenities whatsoever exist on the platform side of ticket and security checks in high speed railway stations?
No. Once you go from the terminal through the ticket scanner, you go to the train. There are no amenities other than stairs, elevators and escalators.

The terminals, however, are equipped with modern food court chain restaurants and more than ample seating while you wait. Many LED tv's, newstands, the usual.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 08:17 AM   #5948
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Agreed. It's ok food but not great. To get good food at good prices you need to buy something before you arrive at the CRH train station. These stations are often out of the way and do not have many local amenities as the older train stations do. The food is standard airport corporate contract bidding fare, and it's absurdly overpriced.
Not just that. The rail stations are so huge that it's almost impossible to walk to a local restaurant, have lunch, and walk back in time.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 06:53 AM   #5949
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Not just that. The rail stations are so huge that it's almost impossible to walk to a local restaurant, have lunch, and walk back in time.
Here in India, a lot of people pack food and take it, as they dont like/trust the railway food. How is the situation in China? Do people prefer to pack food?
Also, in terms of passengers ridership is the China railways now the biggest railway in the world?
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 07:54 AM   #5950
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Here in India, a lot of people pack food and take it, as they dont like/trust the railway food. How is the situation in China? Do people prefer to pack food?
Also, in terms of passengers ridership is the China railways now the biggest railway in the world?
High speed journeys are in most cases too short to require meals.

Regular trains are another matter. Those lucky enough to obtain a sleeper can use the restaurant cars, which are actually fairly decent.

In the lower classes, as many people as possible are pushed into the train, so it's literally impossible to move. The only chance for respite is during a station stop, where platform attendants sell snacks at a marked up price. Until the railways ministry banned access to platforms by non-passengers, hundreds of locals would sell treats through windows.

Inside the train, attendants carry hot water bottles to fill up tea cups and instant noodle bowls. So much so that by the end of the journey, the train stinks of instant noodles.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 10:31 AM   #5951
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Are any packaged meals, such as bento boxes, produced and sold in China?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 06:52 AM   #5952
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High speed journeys are in most cases too short to require meals.

Regular trains are another matter. Those lucky enough to obtain a sleeper can use the restaurant cars, which are actually fairly decent.

In the lower classes, as many people as possible are pushed into the train, so it's literally impossible to move. The only chance for respite is during a station stop, where platform attendants sell snacks at a marked up price. Until the railways ministry banned access to platforms by non-passengers, hundreds of locals would sell treats through windows.

Inside the train, attendants carry hot water bottles to fill up tea cups and instant noodle bowls. So much so that by the end of the journey, the train stinks of instant noodles.
So in regular trains, nobody packs food? Is there a culture of sharing food with other passengers? Also, how far in advance do you have to book tickets to get them? Here in India, sometimes even a month in advance tickets get booked.

One thing I am curious about is the impact of the rapid modernization of railways on the ordinary person. Due to this rapid development, has tourism/study movement increased a lot within China? Prior to this modernisation, was there very little movement within the country?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #5953
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Are any packaged meals, such as bento boxes, produced and sold in China?
On the sleeper trains, you could buy bento-type boxes with rice/noodles/veg/meat etc
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Old trains routinely have carts that sell instant noodles, soup, snacks, soda, juice and tea. Over priced but not very. Hot water on a cart and at the ends of most cars to cook instant noodles with, and many people bring instant noodles.

CRH not so much, but some do. As others posted the trips are too short. Longer trips they serve you a meal.

"Over priced" in China means that noodles that are 2 or 3 RMB are sold for 5 or 6 RMB. Increases from .3 Euro to .6 Euro so it is very inexpensive by most other nation's standards.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 04:39 PM   #5955
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CRH not so much, but some do. As others posted the trips are too short. Longer trips they serve you a meal.
How short is too short? Remember, time spent on moving train is time otherwise wasted... opportunity to consume a meal during movement (and not mess up the train) would be useful.
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Remember, time spent on a moving train is time otherwise wasted.
Any train trip of fewer than 3 hours will not serve a meal and time spent on a moving train is NEVER wasted time.

You need to slow down.
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Old May 25th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #5957
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Any train trip of fewer than 3 hours will not serve a meal and time spent on a moving train is NEVER wasted time.

You need to slow down.
Guangzhou East - Shenzhen (Luo Hu) - they serve (boxed) meals, coffee-like liquid and tea (haven't had a pleasure to taste it yet). Time travel ~1:20
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Old May 25th, 2013, 09:19 AM   #5958
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Guangzhou East - Shenzhen (Luo Hu) - they serve (boxed) meals, coffee-like liquid and tea (haven't had a pleasure to taste it yet). Time travel ~1:20
Almost always 1:19 for East - Shenzhen. Usually 1:31...1:32 from Guangzhou.

There is, for example, only one train grom Guangzhou arriving in Shenzhen before 8. The first train, D7001, departs Guangzhou at 6:03, Guangzhou East 6:15, arrives Luohu 7:34.
The second train, D7021, originates Guangzhou East 6:30, arrives Luohu 7:49. The second train from Guangzhou, D7043, departs 6:38, Guangzhou East 6:51 - and arrival in Luohu is 8:10 already. And you still need to navigate Shenzhen itself from Luohu to whatever your destination is.

What are the typical times that the businesses and schools open in Shenzhen in the morning and require workers and pupils to report for duty?

And when do the restaurants in Guangzhou Station open in the morning? Can you consume a breakfast in Guangzhou Station before catching the 6:03 train?
Even if you could, you could still sleep longer by catching the train without breakfast and consuming your breakfast in these otherwise wasted 1:31 on the moving train.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 09:26 AM   #5959
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D3206 broke down in a tunnel, and it stuck there for 5 hours. Passengers has to broke the windows for air. The train was finally towed into station by a the common DF4
http://politics.gmw.cn/2013-05/30/co...#Content_Title
http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detai...875207_0.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/dfpd/fu...t_9174942.html

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Old May 30th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #5960
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D3206 broke down in a tunnel, and it stuck there for 5 hours. Passengers has to broke the windows for air. The train was finally towed into station by a the common DF4
http://politics.gmw.cn/2013-05/30/co...#Content_Title
http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detai...875207_0.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/dfpd/fu...t_9174942.html
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Train braking down is one thing, but the problem with the air inside such train when the A/C is not working must be awful. See article from Spiegel about broken down air-conditioning systems on German high-speed trains from 2010: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-706889.html

How it is done in Japan, France or other countries? Do passengers also are suffering in such situation?
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