CHINA | High Speed Rail

[newyorkrunaway1]

i saw this video a while back on another site that linked it! it is amazing hopw fast thos things go. this is what america needs, only if we had a good direction from the leaders of this country!

[cal_t]

The first type of train is Adtranz (now Bombardier) 'Regina' train.

[zergcerebrates]

Another Video

Official CCTV news on the train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4By0h...elated&search=

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FO1...elated&search=

[ZZ-II]

beautiful train

[gaoanyu]

part 2 of the official CCTV news says:
China's technology, manufactured in China, and the lowest priced.
Is it really China's technology?

[superchan7]

The news has been screaming "Chinese technology" for a while now regarding its trains. The reality is that they are foreign designs, but manufactured in China.

I assume the technology is transferred to Chinese railway producers, who then take note and try to make their own trains.

[gaoanyu]

So cheeky these bastards.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by gaoanyu

part 2 of the official CCTV news says:
China's technology, manufactured in China, and the lowest priced.
Is it really China's technology?

Inthis news, Shanghai Pearl TV reports that the trains are produced in Qingdao but it's Japanese technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ib...elated&search=

[Sen]

Originally Posted by raymond_tung88

The trains in each of those videos were different types right?

Where are these trains running? Like where are they building high-speed rail lines? Does anyone have a map?

it seems that they still run on regular tracks, no high speed track has been built.

the speed is 200km/h-250km/h, much faster than before, but still not a full high speed line.

Beijing-Shanghai now takes 9hrs, when high speed is built i think the objective is to shorten it to 3hrs to 4hrs.

[Karakuri]

Originally Posted by Sen

Inthis news, Shanghai Pearl TV reports that the trains are produced in Qingdao but it's Japanese technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ib...elated&search=

That's obvious. High speed technology knowledge doesn't appear like magic overnight. But China wants to do as Korea did with France's TGV: technology transfer and training with the best engineers in order to finally be able to build foreign technology independently...but the difference is that Korea dosen't pretend it's their own technology .
Anyway, Chinese authorities are going to regret not having entrusted the Beijing-Shanghai line to the French TGV when it will break its own world record at 560 or 570km/h next month.

[bobdikl]

Originally Posted by Karakuri

Anyway, Chinese authorities are going to regret not having entrusted the Beijing-Shanghai line to the French TGV when it will break its own world record at 560 or 570km/h next month.

I think the Chinese are not so much about the japanese or French speed in this regard, since both are definely high speed. ? Or rather more to do with buying the technoloy transfer (copying technology) just like they did it with the German Maglev in Shanghai. Let's assume thousands of future lines in china need to be built, they need only to 'buy' one for every technology to overview of the technologies behind. You can official own the technology if you are officially buying them.

[gaoanyu]

Originally Posted by Sen

Inthis news, Shanghai Pearl TV reports that the trains are produced in Qingdao but it's Japanese technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ib...elated&search=

It did mention that it was a collaborative work between Japan.

[superchan7]

200+ km/h should be fairly considered "high-speed." It's faster than cars would ever drive in most countries.

300+ km/h should be a new era in high-speed rail. Japan and Europe pioneered this 10 years ago.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by superchan7

200+ km/h should be fairly considered "high-speed." It's faster than cars would ever drive in most countries.

300+ km/h should be a new era in high-speed rail. Japan and Europe pioneered this 10 years ago.

even amtrak train can do 200 km/h, 200 km/h might be for the original definition of high speed, but most high speed trains are now over 300km/h.

from the look of it most chinese trains are now 200km/h+, so they are not considered "high speed", just regular trains.

nothing on Beijing-Shanghai yet.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by gaoanyu

It did mention that it was a collaborative work between Japan.

I guess that means jap technology built in China.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by Karakuri

That's obvious. High speed technology knowledge doesn't appear like magic overnight. But China wants to do as Korea did with France's TGV: technology transfer and training with the best engineers in order to finally be able to build foreign technology independently...but the difference is that Korea dosen't pretend it's their own technology .
Anyway, Chinese authorities are going to regret not having entrusted the Beijing-Shanghai line to the French TGV when it will break its own world record at 560 or 570km/h next month.

Chinese government doesnt advertise it's japanese technology for obvious reasons, do you want japanese consulate in shanghai to get smashed?

[Momo1435]

Originally Posted by Sen

even amtrak train can do 200 km/h, 200 km/h might be for the original definition of high speed, but most high speed trains are now over 300km/h.

from the look of it most chinese trains are now 200km/h+, so they are not considered "high speed", just regular trains.

200 km/h is not high speed but anything above can be considered high speed but 250 km/h may be a better speed. 300 km/h is now the maximum speed when it comes to regular services, so if you only consider 300 km/h as high speed you're bit ahead of the reality.

And indeed the Bombardier trains are only 200 km/h fast, but considering the speed increase over other Chinese trains they can be called high speed trains.

[hzkiller]

[hzkiller]

内部探秘 座椅布置如飞机

昨天，记者终于走进“子弹头”列车。本月15日，几列CRH2型高速旅客列车抵沪，但当时只能远观，而不能走近，更不能走进。

记者踏进一节车厢，便见座位与目前旅客列车有很大差异，跟飞机倒是有几分相似。座位都是布艺包裹，坐上去柔软而舒适。每个座位还配了一个靠枕。更叫人诧异的是，部分座位还能“活动”，可旋转180度，如果想看窗外的风景，简直是一览无余，完全用不着转过头去。

“子弹头”列车各节车厢的座位数量并不完全相同，软座车厢只有51个座位，而硬座车厢最多有100个座位。（新闻晨报记者 殷立勤）

28日起投入运营 票价暂按新型空调列车软座票价

今日从上海铁路局获悉，自1月28日（本周日）起，国内最新的“子弹头”动车组列车将奔驰在沪宁杭“金三角”，广大旅客乘坐这种列车将更加舒适、便捷。

根据铁道部春运期间开行动车组的精神，上海铁路局经过精心准备，决定从1月28日起在沪宁、沪杭间开行动车组。据介绍，即将投入运营的动车组，无论是外观设计还是内部装修布局，都比现行的客车有很大提高。外观全部是流线型的设计，车厢分一等车和二等车，一等车两侧各有两个座椅，二等车一侧三个座椅，另一侧两个座椅。车内备品、灯具、标识、音响、空调等设备，都采用了国际上通行的标准。车体设计更加体现人性化，舒适度比现在的客车有很大档次提高。

记者了解到，此次动车组上线运行共涉及长三角地区7.5对旅客列车，分别是：上海至南京T708/T707、T717/T718次2对，上海南至杭州N521/N522、N523/N524、525N/526、527/N528、N529N/530、N554次5.5对，采用两组动车组重联一列开行，每列16节车厢，定员1220人。车票均由始发站发售，途中有办客停站的车站，采取席位复用的办法发售车票，不固定票额，实现有空座即可售票，提高了车票的利用率。

由于上述7.5对旅客列车采用动车组开行，部分车次办客停站将作调整，具体为：取消N523/N526次列车在松江、嘉善、嘉兴、海宁站办客；取消N529/N522次列车在临平站办客。其他均按现运行图不变。

据了解，尽管动车组最高运行时速可达200至250公里，但目前最高时速仍将控制在160公里以内，暂不进行提速，所涉及的7.5对旅客列车仍按现有时刻运行。动车组票价暂按现行同档次新型空调列车软座票价办理。

[Karakuri]

300 km/h is now the maximum speed when it comes to regular services

The Eastbound TGV does 320km/h in regular service, and Japan and France are expecting 360km/h by 2010, though.