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Old August 5th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #6281
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That it is the HSR line hardest to justify economically, like has been discussed earlier, should have a role in that decision. For a slight markup in price someone in Ürümqi going to e.g. Beijing would have the choice of spending the whole day in HSR trains, or for a slight markup (or maybe cheaper) take a flight to Beijing for a travel time of 3 1/2 hours plus connecting time. Regional travel may still make sense, but this line must have the hardest return on investment.
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Old August 6th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #6282
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That it is the HSR line hardest to justify economically, like has been discussed earlier, should have a role in that decision. For a slight markup in price someone in Ürümqi going to e.g. Beijing would have the choice of spending the whole day in HSR trains, or for a slight markup (or maybe cheaper) take a flight to Beijing for a travel time of 3 1/2 hours plus connecting time. Regional travel may still make sense, but this line must have the hardest return on investment.
It probably has a negative return in terms of financial profitability and economic benefit.

But it's vital from a strategic and stability standpoint.
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Old August 6th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #6283
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Calculating the profitability of HSR in China you can't just count the ticket revenue, there are also positive impact HSR had on towns along the line. Simply the availability of HSR in Xinjiang will be a boost of the regional economy.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #6284
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there are also positive impact HSR had on towns along the line.
Which is why this line loops thru Lanzhou and Xining. Going from Beijing to Urumqi would be about 500km shorter via Inner Mongolia, but if the people there are happy to carry their tents on horseback a train might not be much use to them.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #6285
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Which is why this line loops thru Lanzhou and Xining. Going from Beijing to Urumqi would be about 500km shorter via Inner Mongolia, but if the people there are happy to carry their tents on horseback a train might not be much use to them.
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Tents and horses in Xinjiang are just for tourists these days.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 06:44 AM   #6286
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Old August 7th, 2013, 08:23 AM   #6287
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Like the third picture, HSR, Non-HSR, Road, and Airport all in one picture. Plus a bridge, and a highrise U/C in the background. All in clear weather as well.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #6288
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Tents and horses in Xinjiang are just for tourists these days.
In Outer Mongolia, Ulan-Bator normally has hundreds of thousands of people permanently camped in tents at the outskirts of the city. How about the cities of Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang?

A horse can get through many places where a car couldn´t (even if the rider had it). Ditto about a camel.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 03:22 PM   #6289
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Weird question, is there a particular reason that these bridges tend to be blue (other than just design)? I've always been curious.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #6290
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Beautiful pictures....
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Old August 7th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #6291
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In Outer Mongolia, Ulan-Bator normally has hundreds of thousands of people permanently camped in tents at the outskirts of the city. How about the cities of Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang?

A horse can get through many places where a car couldn´t (even if the rider had it). Ditto about a camel.
They're Mongolians living on the grasslands.

In Xinjiang - the Uighurs, Han, Kazakhs and Hui are mostly city folk or farmers.
The desert doesn't have the grass to support a nomadic horseback lifestyle.

It's a similar story in Inner Mongolia which is mostly Gobi desert than grassland.

The cities in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia are being redeveloped like in the East - so horses as a means of transport are useless. You should see the traffic jams in Urumqi these days.
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Which is why this line loops thru Lanzhou and Xining. Going from Beijing to Urumqi would be about 500km shorter via Inner Mongolia, but if the people there are happy to carry their tents on horseback a train might not be much use to them.
Not all are. There are big and rich cities on that route - Zhangjiakou, Hohhot, Baotou, Yinchuan... Any plans to serve these with HSR?
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Weird question, is there a particular reason that these bridges tend to be blue (other than just design)? I've always been curious.
I've wondered about that too. Not sure if it is the same system wide or specific to the Yangtze River Delta.
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It's too good to be true!
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Beautiful pictures.
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Weird question, is there a particular reason that these bridges tend to be blue (other than just design)? I've always been curious.
Chinese steel structures use blue anti corrosion paint.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #6297
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Weird question, is there a particular reason that these bridges tend to be blue (other than just design)? I've always been curious.
I've always been curious why so many steel roofs in China are blue. Maybe it's their particular flavor of anti-rust/mordant/whatever.
[Edit] Errm, thanks hmmwv, you posted while I was typing ..
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #6298
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Are there currently any HS lines in operation or under construction going from Guangzhou towards Nanning and Vietnamese border?
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:51 AM   #6299
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I've always been curious why so many steel roofs in China are blue. Maybe it's their particular flavor of anti-rust/mordant/whatever.
[Edit] Errm, thanks hmmwv, you posted while I was typing ..
Popular colour in North Korea too, considering our main insight into the country is Google Maps, it is one thing we do know.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #6300
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Chinese steel structures use blue anti corrosion paint.
Is that also the reason so many roofs are either bright blue or bright red?
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