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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #6621
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #6622
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China's high speed rail system is so impressive. Large network, great speeds, beautiful stations and a good variety of train types and I like the uniform color of the CRH brand. On top of that they've decided to put the China Railways logo on all CRH trains. The CRH3 is still my favorite type followed by the CRH5. Great pictures!
The same may be built in US, but US lost chance many years ago. Cars, cars, & cars.....
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Old October 11th, 2013, 12:46 AM   #6623
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The same may be built in US, but US lost chance many years ago. Cars, cars, & cars.....
A better chance could be built in India. Similar population, maybe more densely populated, smaller area. lets hope india will follow China's example. this is will not benifit only the Indians, but the whole world as well as it can cut liquid fuel consumption from the two largest population.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #6624
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Old October 12th, 2013, 03:42 PM   #6625
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When will it be possible to take the HSR from Shenyang to Shanghai?

Tianjin - Shanghai is already finished.

But how is Tianjin Shenyang?
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:33 AM   #6626
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Tianjin to Qinhuangdao 350km/h line should open this year, but
Qinhuandao to Shenyang section (more than 400km in distance) is stuck with a first generation "relatively"
higher speed line and the old line. There is no immediate plan for a new line.

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Old October 14th, 2013, 05:37 AM   #6627
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Was Qinhuangdo-Shenyang never meant to be a 300-380 km/h line?

Surely 300+ km/h makes more sense on the longer stretch of Qinhuangdo-Shenyang than on the relatively shorter stretch Tianjin-Qinhuando?


Beijing-Shenyang is delayed... what is up with Shenyang? I want a 300+ km/h corridor from Beijing to Harbin, already!
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Old October 14th, 2013, 09:45 PM   #6628
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Discount fares continue on underutilised 300km/hr trains

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Old October 16th, 2013, 01:50 AM   #6629
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Was Qinhuangdo-Shenyang never meant to be a 300-380 km/h line?

Surely 300+ km/h makes more sense on the longer stretch of Qinhuangdo-Shenyang than on the relatively shorter stretch Tianjin-Qinhuando?


Beijing-Shenyang is delayed... what is up with Shenyang? I want a 300+ km/h corridor from Beijing to Harbin, already!
No, when it was first built in 2003 as China's first HSR line 350km/h was beyond their capabilities. But the line is by no means slow, it's designed to have a 200km/h sustained operating speed with the potential to upgrade to 250km/h, a large stretch of it (~60km) is even capable of 300km/h upgrade. So I think the most cost effective thing to do is a major upgrade of the line, so that it's fully 250km/h capable with sections allowing 300km/h travel.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #6630
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High speed train depot, Hankou, Wuhan by lgj

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Old October 17th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #6631
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Beijing-Shenyang is delayed... what is up with Shenyang? I want a 300+ km/h corridor from Beijing to Harbin, already!
What's up with Shenyang? Maybe not enough passengers? Looks like they're closing passenger service on some existing slow trains.

Meanwhile the adjustment continues of fares to meet demand. I guess this is part of the settling in process, and we'll end up like the airlines offering graduated fares according to demand. These new builtup 8 car units don't easily allow the old flexibility of shunting off a first class car and substituting a second class.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 03:14 AM   #6632
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What's up with Shenyang? Maybe not enough passengers? Looks like they're closing passenger service on some existing slow trains.
NIMBYsm at its best. First, I think the line did not pass environmental assessment. Which is quite ironic when one thinks that there is no more environment friendly way of transporting people. Then it passed that but challenged with protest by people whose houses apparently were close to line or smt like that. Which is again not something I buy. I mean I understand if it was people who needs to move due to route of the line but it is not people who needs to move who is protesting. But I am sure this is just the surface there some weird politics going behind the scenes. Who knows...
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Old October 18th, 2013, 04:29 AM   #6633
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What's up with Shenyang? Maybe not enough passengers?
D trains from Beijing to Harbin were always packed while I was there. When I got to Harbin and wanted to buy a ticket back to Beijing, I actually had to stay in Harbin 3 days longer because that was the first time they had anymore 8 hour D train availability.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 07:49 AM   #6634
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^Sounds like they should start selling standing HSR tickets. It's only a matter of time.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #6635
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They don't sell them in Shenyang? They sure do sell standing tickets on Shanghai-Nanjing line.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #6636
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Interesting, I had no idea they sold standing tickets on CRH trains. Are these for the 350km/h Shanghai-Nanjing railway or the CRH trains on the conventional railway...or both?

Also where do they stand? In the aisle?

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Old October 19th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #6637
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Interesting, I had no idea they sold standing tickets on CRH trains. Are these for the 350km/h Shanghai-Nanjing railway or the CRH trains on the conventional railway...or both?

Also where do they stand? In the aisle?
I have seen "no seat" tickets available on both the old Shanghai-Nanjing line and the 350km/h ICL, I'm not sure about Beijing-Shanghai HSR though. If you buy one of those tickets you can seat at any empty seat until someone gets onboard, or you can stand in the area between carriages, or better if you can find seat in the lounge car. I've done it a few times now it's not too bad, as you can always find an empty seat for at least a portion of the journey. It's a last resort for someone who has to catch the train though because it's the same price as a standard 2nd class ticket.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #6638
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Shenyang to Dandong PDL is under construction, SPEED 250KM/H,someday it maybe spread to Korea

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Old October 19th, 2013, 07:25 PM   #6639
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What's the estimated completion date?
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Old October 19th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #6640
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The construction of the slab track(or Ballastless track),slab track has been widely used in china HSR, slab track http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_(rail_transport)
A disadvantage of traditional track structures is the heavy demand for maintenance, particularly surfacing (tamping) and lining to restore the desired track geometry and smoothness of vehicle running. Weakness of the subgrade and drainage deficiencies also lead to heavy maintenance costs. This can be overcome by using ballastless track. In its simplest form this consists of a continuous slab of concrete (like a highway structure) with the rails supported directly on its upper surface (using a resilient pad).
There are a number of proprietary systems, and variations include a continuous reinforced concrete slab, or alternatively the use of pre-cast pre-stressed concrete units laid on a base layer. Many permutations of design have been put forward.
However ballastless track is very expensive in first cost, and in the case of existing railroads requires closure of the route for a somewhat long period. Its whole life cost can be lower because of the great reduction in maintenance requirement. Ballastless track is usually considered for new very high speed or very high loading routes, in short extensions that require additional strength (e.g. rail station), or for localised replacement where there are exceptional maintenance difficulties, for example in tunnels.

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