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Old November 8th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #6721
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Old November 8th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #6722
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Old November 8th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #6723
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Newest article from The Economist about the High-speed railway in China.
You could argue the relative economic and political importance of Wuwei and Yushi that will be cut off, vs. Xining. The constructed alignment will bring high speed PDL from Beijing and Shanghai that much closer to Lhasa. The Xining taxi drivers will love the 12km gap from the CHR station to Xining West where all the standard line trains now stop.

There was talk earlier of a line from Linhe to Hami, northwards near the Mongolian border. Some 600km has been built Linhe - Yumen, mostly double track, to at least 160km/hr standard, thru a totally uninhabited barren landscape. The earthworks for the permanent way also still exist in the desert to the northeast of Hami...
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Old November 9th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #6724
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Nice map. I believe blue color means "in operation", red "in construction", what do other colors mean (maroon, orange and green)?
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Old November 9th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #6725
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I would agree with the above, going through Xining isn't that much of a detour on that line in total (though it would be a detour through massive mountains). Some time ago I made a map of this line for my visualisation (just based on reported stations, no guarantee the line actually goes there), and according to that Xining is not the greatest detour, but it probably is the most expensive.

Early Google map visualisation of Lanzhou-Urumqi line. The setting should be set to editable, if anyone got better info of the route, feel free to edit. (The line is marked in purple, the orange map (going to Moscow/Tehran...) is pure fantasy.)

Since this presumably is a political line it makes good sense to connect the province capital. I don't think it will be a springboard to high-speed through Tibet unless an even less profitable line were to be built in the future. I see no way HSR can beat air transport here, and there is no low-speed line to relieve.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 04:02 PM   #6726
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Nice map. I believe blue color means "in operation", red "in construction", what do other colors mean (maroon, orange and green)?
orange to be constructed

green planned
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Old November 9th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #6727
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Download the map
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Nice map, thanks for sharing.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 10:05 PM   #6728
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It's been removed.

Edit: found it...
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Old November 9th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #6729
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Reasonable approximation as you say. Most of the line can be seen on Google Earth west of Zhangye, and from Lanzhou, Xining, Datong West. But there's nothing visible thru the mountains. There are two passes on the G227 highway at 3700m and 3800m, so I don't really see why the rail needs to go to 3600. I traced a route thru with a maximum altitude of 3300 and a 21km tunnel. Maybe they're getting tired of long tunnels, or there's some geologic movement warning them away...
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Old November 9th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #6730
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When is this line scheduled for opening?
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Old November 10th, 2013, 11:47 AM   #6731
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When is this line scheduled for opening?
2014 according to the article below

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High-speed railways
Faster than a speeding bullet

China’s new rail network, already the world’s longest, will soon stretch considerably farther
Nov 9th 2013 | XINING |From the print edition

THE new high-speed railway line to Urumqi climbs hundreds of metres onto the Tibetan plateau before slicing past the valley where the Dalai Lama was born. It climbs to oxygen-starved altitudes and then descends to the edge of the Gobi desert for a final sprint of several hundred windblown kilometres across a Martian landscape. The line will reach higher than any other bullet-train track in the world and extend what is already by far the world’s longest high-speed rail network by nearly one-fifth compared with its current length. The challenge will be explaining why this particular stretch is necessary.
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http://www.economist.com/news/china/...farther-faster
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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #6732
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:47 PM   #6733
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JUST some pictures

SLAB TRACK , I think it is beautiful













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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #6734
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Shenyang North Railway Station

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Old November 10th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #6735
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Lanzhou - Urumqi high speed line
Detailed map on Google maps:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...2237,33.815918



blue - actual construction visible (with approximation for tunnels)
purple - presumed, no construction visible

Total sum of drawn lines is 1780 km.

FYI - it took me one hour to made it, bad weather outside helped it a lot. I'll try to update purple parts when new satellite imagery comes online
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Old November 10th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #6736
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Great pictures flankerjun! Chinese have done an excellent job building these lines! I love the way the overhead wires look too.


keber, this line looks good for running a new high speed rail world speed record.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #6737
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How is the line from Lanzhou to Beijing proceeding? According to wikipedia (outdated?) only one out of four sections is in operation already.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #6738
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How is the line from Lanzhou to Beijing proceeding? According to wikipedia (outdated?) only one out of four sections is in operation already.
It depends on how you define the route "Lanzhou - Beijing" and what is a section...
There are already G trains running Beijing - Xi'an North via Zhengzhou, then it's a cab ride across town to get a D train Xi'an - Baoji.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #6739
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It depends on how you define the route "Lanzhou - Beijing" and what is a section...
There are already G trains running Beijing - Xi'an North via Zhengzhou, then it's a cab ride across town to get a D train Xi'an - Baoji.
I was talking about this route: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuzhou–...-Speed_Railway
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Old November 10th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #6740
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Well that is one of the East - West lines of the "4x4 grid". The grid obviously allows free flow of traffic East <-> West and North <-> South, but the crossing points I have looked at so far are, presumably based on existing traffic flows, allowing free connections only between North <-> West and South <-> East. So the answer to your first question How is the line from Lanzhou to Beijing proceeding? is as I stated, Beijing - Xi'an North is complete and operational with G trains. G87 whole journey average 260km/hr with only one 3 minute stop at Zhengzhou East.

D trains are running on the upgraded standard line Xi'an - Baoji while waiting the completion of Baoji South HSR station. Then there is a small mountainous section thru Tianshui. Your guess is as good as mine as to how long it takes them to pay their tunnel workers these days ...
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