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Old November 29th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #6841
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Is the rebar at the base of the pillars supposed to be visible like that?
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Old November 29th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #6842
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Update on the Dali - Chuxiong - Kunming High Speed Railway



Looks like typical lack of cordination between the railway planners and some other (expressway? irrigation?) planners
I'd say the visible rebar has been put there after as a downward extension of the square collar that's supposed to protect the actual pier at ground level.
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Old November 29th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #6843
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What shall be the schedule of high speed trains Tianjin-Shenyang in the beginning of December, like this Sunday?
Something appeared.
Is it correct that there shall be no D trains, but 4 G trains daily?
2 to Shenyang, 1 to Changchun, 1 to Harbin. Fastest time Tianjin West-Shenyang North 4:03 with 7 stops incl. Tianjin. Distance 671 km, of which 5 km are Tianjin West-Tianjin.
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Old November 29th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #6844
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Is the rebar at the base of the pillars supposed to be visible like that?
Obviously, they decided to change something there. They moved some earth after the construction of the pillar and now they are "updating" the structure according new earth level. If you look carefully, the new rebar is not the part of the pillar at all.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #6845
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Because someone asked a question...like 3 posts ago...calm down.
No, it's the mockery and derision that always accompanies the topic.

If you all asked the simplest of questions:

"In the USA, would end-point to end-point travel times be shorter? Would travelers save money and time? Would they be able to reach their destination of choice one they disembark, and do so in a cheap and timely fashion?"

You would instantly find out why HSR won't work in the USA.

HSR won't work in the USA, because Americans don't want it.

I don't understand this intolerance of differing societal values. The Americans don't want HSR, so leave them be.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 03:04 AM   #6846
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No, it's the mockery and derision that always accompanies the topic.

If you all asked the simplest of questions:

"In the USA, would end-point to end-point travel times be shorter? Would travelers save money and time? Would they be able to reach their destination of choice one they disembark, and do so in a cheap and timely fashion?"

You would instantly find out why HSR won't work in the USA.

HSR won't work in the USA, because Americans don't want it.

I don't understand this intolerance of differing societal values. The Americans don't want HSR, so leave them be.
That's fine. I just don't think it's the end of the world if someone asked one question is all. It'd be different if it was an entire page of comments.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 03:20 AM   #6847
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Something appeared.
Is it correct that there shall be no D trains, but 4 G trains daily?
2 to Shenyang, 1 to Changchun, 1 to Harbin.
5 D trains have been replaced with G trains.
According to my timetables these were the only D trains running those routes. There are still a couple of dozen K and T trains running these routes.
A quick and dirty translation of the official notice says

D177 Tianjin - Harbin West replaced with G410 Tianjin West - Harbin West.
D175 Tianjin - Shenyang replaced with G416 Tianjin West - Shenyang North*
D157 Tianjin - Shenyang replaced with G420 Tianjin West - Shenyang North*
D162 Tianjin West - Changchun replaced with G426 Tianjin West - Changchun
D56 Tianjin West - Dalian North replaced with G430 Tianjin West - Dalian North

* the two new G trains to Shenyang North run approx 4 hours earlier in the day.
All new G trains journey time approx 1 hour faster than the old D train.
There are corresponding changes to trains coming back the other way. Finding these is left as an exercise for the gentle reader.

You can quibble over a few minutes here or there, I prefer to quibble over the standard of the bar service.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #6848
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"In the USA, would end-point to end-point travel times be shorter? Would travelers save money and time? Would they be able to reach their destination of choice one they disembark, and do so in a cheap and timely fashion?"
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

Example? The Acela.

The fact that rail now has 70% of the market share along the NEC shows that HSR can work in America.

Yes, many Americans don't "want" HSR, because I can assure you that most Americans 1) have never seen an actual HSR and experienced its benefits 2) somehow believe that bullet-trains are simply steam-locos on crack.

This isn't an intolerance of societal values--it is simply ignorance, and ignorance of such degree is bound to attract mockery.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #6849
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1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

Example? The Acela.

The fact that rail now has 70% of the market share along the NEC shows that HSR can work in America.

Yes, many Americans don't "want" HSR, because I can assure you that most Americans 1) have never seen an actual HSR and experienced its benefits 2) somehow believe that bullet-trains are simply steam-locos on crack.

This isn't an intolerance of societal values--it is simply ignorance, and ignorance of such degree is bound to attract mockery.

So the perception of Chinese HSR in America is it's 18 century steam train technology with a new coat of paint?
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Old November 30th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #6850
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1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

Example? The Acela.

The fact that rail now has 70% of the market share along the NEC shows that HSR can work in America.

Yes, many Americans don't "want" HSR, because I can assure you that most Americans 1) have never seen an actual HSR and experienced its benefits 2) somehow believe that bullet-trains are simply steam-locos on crack.

This isn't an intolerance of societal values--it is simply ignorance, and ignorance of such degree is bound to attract mockery.
Very true....ignorance. I was the same way before I experienced clean, efficient and fast public transportation/high speed rail in China, Italy, Germany, Spain, Belgium and France.

The skill and speed at which China has been implementing their high speed rail and local public transportation system is evidence that people do not have to wait 40 years for decent infrastructure to be built. As a U.S. citizen I'd like to see it here, the way China is building their high speed rail looks closest to what I feel will work here in the U.S.


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So the perception of Chinese HSR in America is it's 18 century steam train technology with a new coat of paint?

Due to ignorance, people here have no idea what's going on in China.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #6851
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As a U.S. citizen I'd like to see it here, the way China is building their high speed rail looks closest to what I feel will work here in the U.S.
Pity the US High Speed Rail thread has collapsed into a political slanging match


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Due to ignorance, people here have no idea what's going on in China.
Due to ignorance the people in China have no idea what's going on in China. The current state of HSR in China appears to me to be a weird mix of 1950s socialist saviours with 19th century US railroad barons. What I fear is the condition of the tracks and rolling stock twenty, even ten years from now.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 09:52 AM   #6852
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Due to ignorance the people in China have no idea what's going on in China. The current state of HSR in China appears to me to be a weird mix of 1950s socialist saviours with 19th century US railroad barons. What I fear is the condition of the tracks and rolling stock twenty, even ten years from now.
One new high speed railway has been running for ten years by now, although only six of them at high speed. Qinhuangdao-Shenyang was opened in 2003, and sped up in 2007.

What is the condition of Qinhuangdao-Shenyang tracks now?
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Old November 30th, 2013, 04:10 PM   #6853
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Pity the US High Speed Rail thread has collapsed into a political slanging match
Because all the "conversation" is happening elsewhere...
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Old November 30th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #6854
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There are corresponding changes to trains coming back the other way. Finding these is left as an exercise for the gentle reader.
Shenyang-Tianjin West:
3 trains from Shenyang North, all in the morning
G418, 4:03 from 7:52 to 11:55
G428, 4:15 from 8:40 to 12:55
G412, 4:06 from 9:35 to 13:41
Tianjin all arrivals 9 minutes before Tianjin West.
1 train from Shenyang after noon:
G422, 4:18 from 14:24 to 18:42
G422 and G418 originate from Shenyang, the two later morning trains beyond:
G428 origin Changchun 6:40, arrival after 6:15
G412 depart Changchun West 8:01, arrival after 5:40
G412 origin Harbin 6:34, arrival after 7:07
1 train from Dalian:
G429, depart 6:53, arrive 12:12 after 5:19
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You can quibble over a few minutes here or there, I prefer to quibble over the standard of the bar service.
Well, how is it?
As you note - most trains are early morning ones. Harbin - only train 6:34. Dalian - only train 6:53. Changchun - last train from Changchun West 8:01.
Can you have a good breakfast on the train?
Prices are
Dalian-Tianjin West second class 279 yuan 5 jiao, first class 458 yuan, VIP seat 548 yuan 5 jiao
Changchun-Tianjin West second class 338 yuan, first class 505 yuan 5 jiao, VIP seat 621 yuan 5 jiao
Harbin-Tianjin West second class 408 yuan 5 jiao, first class 618 yuan, VIP seat 748 yuan 5 jiao.

So, when you have to get up early, cold, hungry and sleepy from reaching the station through the dark, empty and cold city before the winter sunrise - can you eat a good breakfast in the restaurant car and resume comfortable sleep in VIP seat?
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Old November 30th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #6855
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Due to ignorance, people here have no idea what's going on in China.
I'd probably replace China with 'the rest of the world at large'.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #6856
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I'd probably replace China with 'the rest of the world at large'.
It's not a problem confined to America either it pretty much is true for most people in most places. Over riding ignorance of things outside their limited personal experience.

"Ignorance is bliss"

Be warned those who intend to distrub this blissfulness.

You're neither wanted or needed.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 09:52 AM   #6857
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Nothing like travel to broaden the mind...
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The total length of 287 km Tianjin-Qinhuangdao HSR begins to operate in North China on December 1, 2013.
The travel time between two cities is expected to be reduced to one hour and 11 minutes from 2.5 hours previously.

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Old December 1st, 2013, 12:08 PM   #6859
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The total length of 287 km Tianjin-Qinhuangdao HSR begins to operate in North China on December 1, 2013.
Funny, I see the length quoted as 261 km.
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The travel time between two cities is expected to be reduced to one hour and 11 minutes from 2.5 hours previously.
The expectation did not come true: the fastest train is G431, and it takes 1:18, not 1:11.
The fastest slow train now is Z193, which travels 285 km by old railway, and takes 2:32.
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Nothing like travel to broaden the mind...
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