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Old December 3rd, 2013, 07:37 PM   #6881
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Xiamen to Shenzhen line: Dec 28,Chongqing to Lichuan will open short distance train before Chinese New Year
So both Nanning and Chongqing lines are confirmed delayed out of 2013, and the only line on schedule is Xiamen-Shenzhen. And no others have been heard of.

Which destinations shall be served by Xiamen-Shenzhen railway this month?
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 09:12 PM   #6882
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Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang HSR
It will officially operate very soon.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:23 AM   #6883
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Infrastructure projects like these need consistent political support over a number of years, and able managers, otherwise costs will balloon, and quality and user satisfaction will suffer.
Should we then wish the British luck in their apparent desire to import Chinese technology and investment?
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Old December 4th, 2013, 07:32 AM   #6884
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The underground rail link between Tianjin West and Tianjin Railway Station also opened today.

Length: 5 km
Design Speed: 120 kmph
Construction: 2/26/2009 ~ 12/1/2013



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Old December 4th, 2013, 07:45 AM   #6885
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So both Nanning and Chongqing lines are confirmed delayed out of 2013,
Was there anything announced officially that Nanning would open in 2013.
For people, with clear eyes, living near the construction site, it was obvious that no passenger train would roll there in 2013.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #6886
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Something I spotted: on some routes Dalian-Harbin railway is slower this winter!
Dalian-Harbin: 5:20-5:44 2013/2014 - 5:18-5:42 2012-2013 YES
Harbin-Beijing: 7:56-8:09/7:57-8:04 YES/NO
Changchun-Beijing: 6:31-6:53/6:29-6:45 YES
Jilin-Beijing: 7:36/7:28 YES
Harbin-Changchun: 1:18-1:38/1:18-1:55 NO
Harbin-Shenyang: 2:52-3:25/2:58-4:20 NO
Harbin-Jilin: 2:15-2:22/2:05-2:50 YES/NO
Changchun-Shenyang: 1:31-2:05/1:32-3:05 NO
Changchun-Dalian: 3:58-4:47/3:52-4:25 YES
Jilin-Shenyang: 2:28-2:40/2:21-3:50 YES/NO
Jilin-Dalian: 4:58-5:30/4:53-5:00 YES
Shenyang-Dalian: 2:13-2:50/2:07-2:40 YES
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Old December 4th, 2013, 12:36 PM   #6887
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GOOD NEWS:
Railway Corpration announced the results of the tender bullet trains,
350km/h,8-cars bullet trains,total Quantity 180.
250km/h,8-car,91.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #6888
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Should we then wish the British luck in their apparent desire to import Chinese technology and investment?
Without simply throwing money at the government (plausible but breaks EU competition laws) there's very little that the various railway corps will be able to do better than existing EU suppliers. Much of the advantage gained by Chinese firms in price is from states subsidies.
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/a4e381a2-5c2...44feabdc0.html

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On HS2, British officials have stressed there would not be any direct Chinese involvement in the railway line’s construction, due to be funded by the taxpayer. This means the Chinese could only bid for concessions to run it or invest in peripheral schemes such as developments around stations should the railway open in the 2030s.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #6889
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Without simply throwing money at the government (plausible but breaks EU competition laws) there's very little that the various railway corps will be able to do better than existing EU suppliers. Much of the advantage gained by Chinese firms in price is from states subsidies.
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/a4e381a2-5c2...44feabdc0.html
I cannot read that article you posted, can you elaborate two points? Is it really proven fact that government subsidies exist on CNR or CSR. They are SOEs but that is not illegal at any level.

Also, the second point point I don't really get is foreigners cannot invest if taxpayers are paying for the infrastructure? What about the recent nuclear deal?
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Old December 4th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #6890
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If you search Google News for HS2 + China you can find any number of stories from all over. They mostly claim that Chinese technology appears superior to any other currently available, and/or the investment vehicle is proven via the recent nuclear deal. A third point some are claiming is that the only thing restraining EU bidders is institutional lethargy.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #6891
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Claims of technological superiority in some newspapers versus officials openly stating that no Chinese technology will be used in the construction.
If you read further, the 'superiority' appears to be based on speed of construction (a domestic factor - unapplicable to the UK) and the length of the network (unapplicable due to the fact that the network being built is really rather short, and thus the logistics aren't necessary)

Speaking of which, not a day later, a swathe of articles appeared calling for caution based on China's safety record. The man who last attempted to sell us Chinese HSR technology is now in prison on a suspended death sentence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nvestment.html

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It remains unclear what form any Chinese investment in HS2 would take, but it is understood it would not involve direct investment by the Chinese government in the construction of the line, which is being paid for by British taxpayers.

It is possible that the Chinese government or Chinese firms could bid against British companies for the right to operate HS2, or to invest in schemes linked to the route such as development of land around stations, for example.
Cameron is in the doldrums of British politics, and is currently cozying up to anyone who will listen. He's desperate to stop comments like this from the Global Times:
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"We've discovered that Britain is easily replaceable in China's European foreign policy. Moreover, Britain is no longer any kind of 'big country', but merely a country of old Europe suitable for tourism and overseas study, with a few decent football teams."

It's also such that procurement procedures here are incredibly portectionist, and any bid that doesn't feature construction in the UK (for rolling stock or materials) is at a huge disadvantage.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #6892
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Claims of technological superiority in some newspapers versus officials openly stating that no Chinese technology will be used in the construction.
If you read further, the 'superiority' appears to be based on speed of construction (a domestic factor - unapplicable to the UK) and the length of the network (unapplicable due to the fact that the network being built is really rather short, and thus the logistics aren't necessary)

Speaking of which, not a day later, a swathe of articles appeared calling for caution based on China's safety record. The man who last attempted to sell us Chinese HSR technology is now in prison on a suspended death sentence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nvestment.html



Cameron is in the doldrums of British politics, and is currently cozying up to anyone who will listen. He's desperate to stop comments like this from the Global Times:



It's also such that procurement procedures here are incredibly portectionist, and any bid that doesn't feature construction in the UK (for rolling stock or materials) is at a huge disadvantage.
The Global Times is correct. Germany and France are much more important in the EU.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:13 AM   #6893
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Claims of technological superiority in some newspapers versus officials openly stating that no Chinese technology will be used in the construction.
If you read further, the 'superiority' appears to be based on speed of construction (a domestic factor - unapplicable to the UK) and the length of the network (unapplicable due to the fact that the network being built is really rather short, and thus the logistics aren't necessary)

Speaking of which, not a day later, a swathe of articles appeared calling for caution based on China's safety record. The man who last attempted to sell us Chinese HSR technology is now in prison on a suspended death sentence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nvestment.html



Cameron is in the doldrums of British politics, and is currently cozying up to anyone who will listen. He's desperate to stop comments like this from the Global Times:



It's also such that procurement procedures here are incredibly protectionist, and any bid that doesn't feature construction in the UK (for rolling stock or materials) is at a huge disadvantage.
You'd think they will prohibit China from bidding on operating the line, considering the alleged safety record argument was based on incidents caused by operational deficiencies, not quality of the trains. Even if China is in the run for supplying the trains they will partner with a local company and build them there. Just like how they planned to enter the US HSR market.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #6894
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It'd be hard to imagine the Chinese government or a department of attempting to run the services. I was thinking something like MTR corp is what that minister was referring to.

Although, much of the competitive pricing is lost when using foreign labour and parts suppliers, it's swings and roundabouts really
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:28 AM   #6895
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did this thread turn into HS2 discussion ?
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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:43 AM   #6896
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Without simply throwing money at the government (plausible but breaks EU competition laws) there's very little that the various railway corps will be able to do better than existing EU suppliers. Much of the advantage gained by Chinese firms in price is from states subsidies.
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/a4e381a2-5c2...44feabdc0.html
The last part is true but that competiive advantage gives them decisive edge. Everything here is interconnected and eventually is linked back to the central government.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #6897
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did this thread turn into HS2 discussion ?
No, it's still about China HSR, because there are foreign newspapers poopooing CHSR on the basis that the previous Minister is now in jail for lowering safety standards and causing the Wenzhou accident. Not so AIUI, he's in jail for taking too much in kickbacks, plus a bit of embezzlement on the side. Wenzhou happened in my analysis of the so far published facts because of a combination of system design errors and human errors, when said humans were unable to cope with abnormal circumstances and fell thru the gaps in the badly designed system.

All of which is relevant if foreign entities wish to use Chinese technology and/or investment.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #6898
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The measurement of tracks fine adjustment in Xinjiang section of Lanzhou-Xinjiang(Urumqi) HSR.

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No, it's still about China HSR, because there are foreign newspapers poopooing CHSR on the basis that the previous Minister is now in jail for lowering safety standards and causing the Wenzhou accident. Not so AIUI, he's in jail for taking too much in kickbacks, plus a bit of embezzlement on the side. Wenzhou happened in my analysis of the so far published facts because of a combination of system design errors and human errors, when said humans were unable to cope with abnormal circumstances and fell thru the gaps in the badly designed system.

All of which is relevant if foreign entities wish to use Chinese technology and/or investment.
In the past year there have been deadly high speed railway crashes in France and Spain. Is this proof that the French and Spanish regimes are corrupt and incapable of delivering high quality?
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Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR constructions in December 2013 in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region,South of China.
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