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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #6901
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In the past year there have been deadly high speed railway crashes in France and Spain.
Could you please elaborate about this deadly high speed railway crash in France.
When and where did this happen? I am not aware of any. Suicide does not count.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:54 AM   #6902
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In the past year there have been deadly high speed railway crashes in France and Spain. Is this proof that the French and Spanish regimes are corrupt and incapable of delivering high quality?
That's a very shallow analysis of the situation and a cheap analogy. One needs to examine the reason for the crashes occurring, before making statements like that. Plus, both crashes in Europe were on non high speed lines.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #6903
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Could you please elaborate about this deadly high speed railway crash in France.
When and where did this happen? I am not aware of any. Suicide does not count.
It wasn't a high speed train crash, but a train crash nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A...ge_train_crash
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #6904
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That's a very shallow analysis of the situation and a cheap analogy. One needs to examine the reason for the crashes occurring, before making statements like that. Plus, both crashes in Europe were on non high speed lines.
The Spanish one was at a junction between high speed rail and normal rail, which means that it did happen on a high speed line.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #6905
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It wasn't a high speed train crash, but a train crash nonetheless
Well, I can list you many deadly train crashes in France over the last 150 years. The mentioned crash was on a traditional rail line. We are - however - speaking about High Speed Rail.
France has a very good safety record when it comes to High Speed Rail.
A crash (like in Spain) would most likely not have happened in France.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #6906
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hi all,please stop these useless arguments in this thread.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #6907
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hi all,please stop these useless arguments in this thread.
Right, back to the more useful questions.
On 28th instant, which destinations shall have direct trains using Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway? Shall there be any trains whatsoever travelling Shenzhen-Fuzhou or Xiamen-Guangzhou?
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Old December 5th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #6908
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Right, back to the more useful questions.
On 28th instant, which destinations shall have direct trains using Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway? Shall there be any trains whatsoever travelling Shenzhen-Fuzhou or Xiamen-Guangzhou?
shenzhen-fuzhou,shenzhen-xiamen,shenzhen-shanghai,guangzhou-fuzhouĄ*Ą*
The news said about it.we won't know about it exactly until the end of this year.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 12:48 PM   #6909
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Regarding the unlisted lines, does anyone know the state of progress of Xian-Baoji high speed railway?
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #6910
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Regarding the unlisted lines, does anyone know the state of progress of Xian-Baoji high speed railway?
Xi'an-Baoji HSR has been put into trial operation since December 2013.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #6911
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Now that it is December, IŽd list the lines which were supposed to open in 2013. I suppose some of them may be delayed and no one got around to updating the data, but IŽd like to present the list so that someone could check which of them have been heard from
  1. Xiamen-Shenzhen - expected on 28th instant
  2. Xian-Baoji - under testing
  3. Lichuan-Chongqing - delayed to 2014
  4. Nanning-Qinzhou - reported delayed
  5. Qinzhou-Fanchenggang
  6. Qinzhou-Beihai
  7. Maoming-Zhanjiang
  8. Tianjin-Baoding
  9. Guangzhou-Nanning - also reported delayed
  10. Jiangyou-Chengdu-Leshan
  11. Liuzhou-Nanning - also reported delayed
  12. Wuhan suburban HSR:
    Xianning
    Huangshi
    Huanggang
  13. Zhengzhou suburban HSR:
    Jiaozuo
    Xuchang
    Kaifeng
  14. Beijing-Tangshan - no due date

Any others?
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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #6912
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Could you please elaborate about this deadly high speed railway crash in France.
When and where did this happen? I am not aware of any. Suicide does not count.
Germany and Spain. Both developed countries.

2013 rail accidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%80%93present)

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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #6913
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Now that it is December, IŽd list the lines which were supposed to open in 2013. I suppose some of them may be delayed and no one got around to updating the data, but IŽd like to present the list so that someone could check which of them have been heard from
  1. Xiamen-Shenzhen - expected on 28th instant
  2. Xian-Baoji - under testing
  3. Lichuan-Chongqing - delayed to 2014
  4. Nanning-Qinzhou - reported delayed
  5. Qinzhou-Fanchenggang
  6. Qinzhou-Beihai
  7. Maoming-Zhanjiang
  8. Tianjin-Baoding
  9. Guangzhou-Nanning - also reported delayed
  10. Jiangyou-Chengdu-Leshan
  11. Liuzhou-Nanning - also reported delayed
  12. Wuhan suburban HSR:
    Xianning
    Huangshi
    Huanggang
  13. Zhengzhou suburban HSR:
    Jiaozuo
    Xuchang
    Kaifeng
  14. Beijing-Tangshan - no due date

Any others?
first of all,"Under testing"is not the Same as "trial operation".(Under testing-trail operation -officially operation )
Here is the list as I Know.
xiamen-shenzhen---Trail operation
xian-baoji---Trail operation
liuzhou-nanning---Trail operation
hengyang-liuzhou---Trail operation
Guangxi Coastal HSR(nanning-qinzhou-fangcheng,qinzhou-beihai)---Trail operation
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #6914
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Germany and Spain. Both developed countries.

2013 rail accidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%80%93present)
From that list, it looks like the US has the most unsafe system and India has improved significantly.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #6915
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Now that it is December, IŽd list the lines which were supposed to open in 2013. [...] IŽd like to present the list so that someone could check which of them have been heard from
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2. Xian-Baoji - under testing
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To which I'd add has anybody been to Baoji recently? I was there in 2012 May and can confirm this Google image of 2012 October 30 as being substantially correct. My brief ground searches also confirm what is not visible on this map, ie. no line construction towards the west. If Xi'an - Baoji and Xining (Lanzhou?) - Zhangye open about the same time we'll end up in the same situation as the Wuhan-Chongqing "HSR line open" with a section of classic rail in the middle.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #6916
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According to Wikipedia the opening is expected in 2017. "The excluded middle" seems quite common paradigm for rail and metro (but the metros have the excuse of city centres being more tricky to pass through). Anyway according to these plans it is only a three years delay.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:44 PM   #6917
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So, to repeat the lines that have been heard of, and omitting for the moment the unheard of ones:
  1. Shenzhen-Xiamen: trial operation, open 28th instant
  2. Chongqing-Lichuan: trial operation, open 2014
  3. Hengyang-Liuzhou: trial operation, suspected open 2014
  4. Liuzhou-Nanning: trial operation, suspected open 2014
  5. Nanning-Qinzhou: trial operation, suspected open 2014
  6. Qinzhou-Beihai: trial operation, suspected open 2014
  7. Qinzhou-Fanchenggang: trial operation, suspected open 2014
  8. Xian-Baoji: trial operation

Are there any more specific news of Xian-Baoji?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #6918
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I'll be going to Xi'an and Baoji in two weeks. Hope to ride on the new line then.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #6919
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In China this normally means that a line open on December 30 of that particular year.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #6920
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In China this normally means that a line open on December 30 of that particular year.
What could be appropriate wording to describe a line that opens on unspecified month between January and December 2014, inclusive?
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