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Old December 19th, 2013, 09:55 AM   #7041
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Are those brand new lines?
Talking about the first line you've mentioned - Nanjing - Hangzhou - Ningbo, is it a brand new line all in all or does it include the existing line between Nanjing and Hanzghou via Shanghai?
Nanjing - Hangzhou HSR is a direct new line,no need go via Shanghai
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:04 AM   #7042
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I'm then 无语 as you say (hope I haven't made a mistake).

My deepest respect to China.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #7043
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Nanjing South Station (South station of the South Capital) .

Enormous building that set up a record (i don't remember which though). Seems like it has been the biggest station in Southern China, hasn't it?


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600232/

The trains stop at the elevated part of it. Below there are shops, food courts, parking lots and taxi stations.

The render.


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600234/


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600235/

We arrived quite late so, not so many people are on the pics. Unlike at the taxi station. I also remember it was chilly.


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600236/

I remembered coming there half-a-year before, it was so hot.


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600237/

The taxi station is just enormous comparable to a big big american mall.


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/night-c...m/view/600238/

27 .12 2012.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #7044
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I notice there is still a flight from Shanghai Pudong to Nanjing.
Yes, but Pudong is not connected to high speed railway. Pudong to Hongqiao is 2 connections and over one and half hours.
My point is that Hongqiao also for some reason has flights to HSR destinations like Xuzhou.
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I have a feeling once high speed rail reaches capacity, airlines will get more business.
How much capacity is left on high speed lines? Which line is now nearest to capacity?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #7045
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Straight tracks.

On this HSR line, there are a section of 50+ km all straight track in Gansu Province and a section of 60+ km all straight track in Xinjiang.

per @老曹wheremylove

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The track laying in 781 km long Gansu-Qinghai section of Lanzhou-Urumqi HSR has completed in December 2013.
1.Gansu-Qinghai section

2.Gansu-Qinghai section
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Old December 19th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #7046
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Ok,I'll add it in.

Panjin-Yingkou 89km
Wuhan-Xianning 90km
Has Wuhan-Xianning, of all Wuhan suburban high speed railways, been announced to open this month?
If yes, then on which day?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #7047
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Has Wuhan-Xianning, of all Wuhan suburban high speed railways, been announced to open this month?
If yes, then on which day?
Looks that it is. On 28th instant, together with Wuhan metro line 4:
http://english.xianning.gov.cn/zw_en...12_1577293.htm
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #7048
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Straight tracks.

On this HSR line, there are a section of 50 km all straight track in Gansu Province and a section of 60 km all straight track in Xinjiang.

per @└¤▓▄wheremylove
Right,very straight indeed.
Can't wait to see the high speed bullet trains run in the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau next year.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:12 PM   #7049
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More Pictures of Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR from hongdou.
Great photos!

Will this line be used by a service that stops in Guilin as well?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #7050
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Has Wuhan-Xianning, of all Wuhan suburban high speed railways, been announced to open this month?
If yes, then on which day?
On December 28th.It will open the C trains just like Beijing South-Tianjin trains.

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Great photos!

Will this line be used by a service that stops in Guilin as well?
Of course,no doubt it.Guilin is one the most famous tourism city in China,all the passenger trains stop in Guilin station while passing through Guilin.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #7051
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Of course,no doubt it.Guilin is one the most famous tourism city in China,all the passenger trains stop in Guilin station while passing through Guilin.
Is any high speed railway under construction between Nanning and Guiyang, or shall high speed trains Nanning-Guiyang run on Nanning-Hengyang high speed railway and turn to Guangzhou-Guiyang high speed railway at Guilin station?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 02:42 PM   #7052
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Is any high speed railway under construction between Nanning and Guiyang, or shall high speed trains Nanning-Guiyang run on Nanning-Hengyang high speed railway and turn to Guangzhou-Guiyang high speed railway at Guilin station?
No,it's not needed.
Right.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #7053
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I guess it would be to costly and not at all economically viable to run trains at night given that they consume too much power compared to ordinary trains.
Really?
Have a look at the cost of trains that now run Shanghai-Beijing.
29 G trains, travel time from 4:48 (G2 and G4) to 5:50 (G44)
28 of them cost
second class 553 yuan
first class 933 yuan, which is 169 % second class
business class 1748 yuan, which is 316 % second class
G148 takes 5:38, but it has no business class, instead it has VIP seat that at 1053 yuan costs 190 % second class
3 D trains run by day
of which D316 takes 8:47, costs
second class 408 yuan
first class 648 yuan, which is 159 % second class
The other day D trains, D320 and D318, take 8:53 and 8:54. Their second class takes exact same 408 yuan.
But for some reason, they do not have first class. They have soft sleepers that cost
upper 1043 yuan, which is 256 % second class
lower 1173 yuan, which is 288 % second class.

What is the use of paying over 1000 yuan to travel the upper bunk of a D train by day? D318 travels 9:31 to 18:25, and D320 10:23 to 19:16. You could surely travel over three hours faster on G first class, and save 110 yuan!

Now there are also three D trains by night. These have much cheaper tickets
second class just 309 yuan
upper soft sleeper 615 yuan, which is 199 % second class
lower soft sleeper 696 yuan, which is 225 % second class
but take 11:37 to 11:38

So, 11:37 is a bit long for night. Night┤s sleep takes around 8 hours, so these remaining 3,5 hours are wasted. Instead you might fly from Hongqiao to Beijing and sleep in hotel.

There used to be overnight D trains that took just 10 hours, but these have been cancelled.

Wouldn┤t it be better if there could be overnight trains that could travel Shanghai-Beijing in 9 hours at night, and offer soft sleepers for 1000-1200 yuan? This is the price of the existing D train soft sleepers, but these travel at the wrong time... who pays for these beds now?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #7054
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I can just repeat what I said before. I remember almost empty train late in the evening. CRH are still a bit costly for the majority of Chinese, and to run them at night makes them more expensive in terms of expenditures.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #7055
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I looked at the destinations from Hongqiao. Some of them raise serious eyebrows:
Wenzhou, with China Eastern, Juneyao and Shanghai
Jinan, with Shanghai
Xuzhou, with Shanghai
Why are these lines flown?
I think some are code share or international connecting flights to Asian destinations. Same with the Pudong-Nanjing flight that mostly serve people who are flying to North America and want to skip the multiple ground transportation transfers.

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Nanjing South Station (South station of the South Capital) .

Enormous building that set up a record (i don't remember which though). Seems like it has been the biggest station in Southern China, hasn't it?
Biggest station without proper utilities. Jokes aside Nanjing South never got all of its renewable energy utilities hooked up right as the solar array on the roof couldn't supply sufficient power to cool the station in the summer. And the geothermal/heat pump system didn't get connected to all parts of the station, and local residents kept on complains noise and steam venting and such, etc.

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I can just repeat what I said before. I remember almost empty train late in the evening. CRH are still a bit costly for the majority of Chinese, and to run them at night makes them more expensive in terms of expenditures.
The potential is in long distance overnight CRH trains, the empty ones you observed are short distance ones. People won't want to ride a 1:00 AM train from Nanjing to Shanghai, but they will want to ride a 10:00 pm train from Guangzhou to Beijing.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #7056
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Now there are also three D trains by night. These have much cheaper tickets
(...) but take 11:37 to 11:38

There used to be overnight D trains that took just 10 hours, but these have been cancelled.
Looks like they needed more time to schedule around those night maintenance operations
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Old December 19th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #7057
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Manchurian schedule

Looks like the schedule of direct trains to Manchuria has been disclosed.
5 G trains Shanghai-Shenyang, all of them day trains. Trip time 9:21 to 10:43. Second class seats most 732 yuan, G1228 759 yuan. First class others 1176 yuan, G1228 1237 yuan. 2 offer business seats at 2291 yuan 5 jiao, 3 have VIP seats 2 of them at 1380 yuan 5 jiao, G1228 at 1429 yuan 5 jiao.
No D trains.
Of slow speed trains there is T72 trip time 19:36, and 3 K trains 1:00:43 to 1:07:56. No deluxe soft sleepers - soft sleeper lower bunks at 625 to 656 yuan are cheaper than G train seats.
1 G train G1252 Shanghai-Dalian, trip time 11:01. Price second class 787 yuan, first class 1281 yuan 5 jiao, VIP seat 1479 yuan 5 jiao. No D trains, 1 slow train T132 trip time 1:00:16, lower soft sleeper 684 yuan.
Of the 5 G trains Shanghai-Shenyang, 2 proceed to Changchun. Trip times 11:30 and 11:27. Second class price 824 yuan to Changchun, 827 yuan 5 jiao to Changchun West. First class 1323 yuan to Changchun, 1329 to Changchun West. Both have VIP seats not business class, price 1546 yuan to Changchun, 1552 yuan 5 jiao to Changchun West.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 05:45 AM   #7058
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The view of these balastless tracks mesmerizes me, so neat
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Old December 20th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #7059
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Of course,no doubt it.Guilin is one the most famous tourism city in China,all the passenger trains stop in Guilin station while passing through Guilin.
That's great news. I was in Guilin and Yangshuo in July 2012 and it was a bit tricky to get there. A high speed train would be a huge improvement!
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Old December 20th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #7060
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Datong-Xi'an HSR constructions in North China,December 2013.
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