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Old December 26th, 2013, 05:04 AM   #7101
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Nobody is doing it, but ideally I would see real travel speed based on a straight line distance (great circle) between the stations, and the shortest travel time between them with a regularly running train. As a passenger that would be the primary concern. Chinese HSR seem straighter than most so in most cases they should come well off in such a comparison.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #7102
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like Xinjiang-Gansu HSR case, where tracks are almost all straight lines and I guess it's hard not reaching 300 kmph
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Old December 26th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #7103
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I have travelled on that line quite often.
The train never really accelerated above 120 km/h.
I thought CRH1 trains run at 200km/h on that line. I last rode that line back in 2010 though.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #7104
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I have travelled on that line quite often.
The train never really accelerated above 120 km/h.
In 2011 it was accelerating to 200km/h. However the downgrades were taking place short after I rode it so I suppose it might have been affected.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #7105
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I observe that there also is 1 daily train Nanchang-Shenzhen, D2321, taking 8:14 and costing 352 yuan 5 jiao in second class, 423 yuan in first class.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #7106
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CHINA: The final 527 km of the Southern Xinjiang line between Aksu and Korla opened for traffic on December 5 with the departure of a freight train from Aksu. The 1449 km line has been built in stages with the fiorst phase opening in 1984. It is designed for 160 km/h operation.
I saw this too - but looking on a map, this section has been open ever since Urumqi - (Turpan) - Kashgar was opened, so what's the news here?
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Old December 26th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #7107
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Chengdu-Guiyang HSR constructions has begun on December 25th,2013.It will take about 8 hours from Chengdu to HongKong by the end of 2019.

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Old December 26th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #7108
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Chengdu-Guiyang HSR constructions has begun on December 25th,2013.It will take about 8 hours from Chengdu to HongKong by the end of 2019.
Is Guiyang-Guangzhou high speed railway under construction?

I see that Beijing-Shenzhen HSR shall be sped up - as of 28th of December, there shall be 2 daily G trains Beijing-Shenzhen, not 1 any longer, and G79 shall cover the distance in 8:33, compared to 10:16 of G71.

Shenzhen-Beijing HSR shall NOT be sped up appreciably - there shall also be 2 G trains on the route, but the faster (G80) shall still take 10:15.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #7109
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Is Guiyang-Guangzhou high speed railway under construction?
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Old December 26th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #7110
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Sorry - should have remembered.
So, Guiyang-Chengdu opens 2019... when does Guangzhou-Guiyang?

The trip time is still very hard to tell - as shown by the difference between Beijing-Shenzhen 8:33 and Shenzhen-Beijing 10:15.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #7111
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Sorry - should have remembered.
So, Guiyang-Chengdu opens 2019... when does Guangzhou-Guiyang?

The trip time is still very hard to tell - as shown by the difference between Beijing-Shenzhen 8:33 and Shenzhen-Beijing 10:15.
1.By the end of 2014.
2.why is it hard to tell?The fastest train G79 will take 8 hours and 33 minutes from Beijing to Shenzhen.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #7112
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Beijing - Guilin G529 tickets now up for sale. Leave 7:46, arrive 18:18; 806 yuan for 2nd class, 1249.5 for 1st class. Also, two G trains Changsha - Guilin.

Chongqing - Lichuan two D trains and Chengdu - Lichuan are also up.

It seems that finally all of the announced openings for Dec 28 are in the system.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 08:17 PM   #7113
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I saw this too - but looking on a map, this section has been open ever since Urumqi - (Turpan) - Kashgar was opened, so what's the news here?
That was my first reaction too. But I guess the story is that the Great Speedup Program has got that far west, and old 1950's line designs with grades and curves for steam engines, have now been double tracked to 160km/hr. Not much chance of electric out there, but this is China, electric gets to Urumqi with HSR
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Old December 26th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #7114
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1.By the end of 2014.
Shall any other high speed railways to Guizhou open in 2014? Like Guizhou-Changsha, or Guizhou-Kunming?
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2.why is it hard to tell?The fastest train G79 will take 8 hours and 33 minutes from Beijing to Shenzhen.
Because it is unknown how many stops fastest trains of Guangzhou-Chengdu railway shall make. Beijing-Shenzhen high speed railway used not to have any express trains. Now there is one express train, only in one direction, 8:33. The other three, incl. both trains Shenzhen-Beijing, take at least 10:15.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #7115
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The trip time is still very hard to tell - as shown by the difference between Beijing-Shenzhen 8:33 and Shenzhen-Beijing 10:15.
Errm, trying very hard to resist the obvious quip that northbound is going uphill on the map

G71 leaves early, takes all day and stops at 17 (seventeen) places, including 8 minutes at Changshanan, 10 min. at Leiyangxi, and 8 min. at Shaoguan.
G79 leaves later, in a hurry stops at only 7 (seven) places, longest stop is 5 min at Guangzhounan.

BTW, if I take G576 from Shanghaihongqiao, change to G79 at Changshanan (25 mins layover), I get to Shenzhen in 10 hours flat. Beats those D trains down the seaside.

Edit: No, I don't know the reason why both northbound trains, G72 and G80 stop at 18 places. Maybe it'll change after the spring holiday.

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Old December 26th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #7116
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Errm, trying very hard to resist the obvious quip that northbound is going uphill on the map

G71 leaves early, takes all day and stops at 17 (seventeen) places, including 8 minutes at Changshanan, 10 min. at Leiyangxi, and 8 min. at Shaoguan.
G79 leaves later, in a hurry stops at only 7 (seven) places, longest stop is 5 min at Guangzhounan.
Express train G66 takes 8:00 Guangzhou-Beijing - only 1 minute longer than G79. The difference is that it does not serve Shenzhen.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 06:27 AM   #7117
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Is G66 completely non-stop from Guangzhou South to Beijing West? If so does G66 run through the large cities (ex. Changsha, Wuhan, Zhengzhou, Shijiazhuang) at full speed?
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Old December 27th, 2013, 06:41 AM   #7118
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According to 12306.cn G66 stops for 3 minutes at each of Changshanan, Wuhan, Zhengzhoudong, Shijiazhuang. Presumably it would go through all other stations at the operational speed for non-stop trains.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 07:07 AM   #7119
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There is an official definition in Railway Safety Management Regulations (《铁路安全管理条例》). HSR is the rail with design speed of 250 kmph or more, including those 250 kmph rails on which trains run at 200 kmph initially. By this definition Xiamen-Shenzhen is NOT a HSR since it's design speed is 200 kmph.

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What is the precise definition of HSR in China?

If I'm not mistaken Gaungshen line was the first HSR line in China with service speeds up to 200km/h. Therefore it should be shown on the map as a 200km/h line.

Not sure if it's the same in China but according to EU definition of HSR it is any new line designed for 250km/h speeds and above or any upgraded line capable of 200km/h speeds and above. So according to this definition Guangshen would actually count as a HSR while new lines capable of 200km/h (such as Guangzhou-Zhuhai ICL) would not count as HSR. It may be slightly different in China though. Not that it makes any difference in real life.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 10:39 AM   #7120
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Experiencing the high speed train from Nanning to Guilin which will be officially operated on December 30.

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