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Old December 30th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #7141
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Yeah, I get those days when Google & Wikipedia just won't tell me what I want to know
High-speed_rail_in_China describes Guangzhou-Nanning as a Class 1 high speed railway, design speed 250km/hr. There's construction visible on satellite images from as early as 2010, thru Qintang, Guigang, Pingnan.
I don't know how I managed to miss that.
Anyway, when is it going to be finished? The year shown in Wikipedia is 2013. I would assume it is not opening in the next couple of days?



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if the line is capable of that speed ...
What is the maximum speed of the existing conventional line? I would assume all conventional lines in China should be capable of at least 120km/h (with some exceptions like sections of Golmud-Lhasa line)? 120km/h max speed should easily allow average speeds of 90-100km/h even for diesel locomotive-hauled trains.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #7142
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1951km new rail were built and opened on Dec 28&30 2013

All of them are running 200+ kmph.
  • Xi'an-Baoji HSR, 167km, opening speed 250 kmph;
  • Chongqing-Lichuan Rail, 287 km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Xiamen-Shenzhen, 514km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Liuzhou-Nanning HSR, 223km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Hengyang-Liuzhou rail, 498km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang rail, 162km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Qinzhou-Beihai rail, 99.5km, opening speed 200 kmph;
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Old December 30th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #7143
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Thanks! What types of trains have such coaches? Are there any shots of interior?
Search for CRH2E, there are pictures on the web as well as on this forum. It's one of the trainset that involved in the Wenzhou accident.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #7144
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I don't know how I managed to miss that.
Anyway, when is it going to be finished? The year shown in Wikipedia is 2013. I would assume it is not opening in the next couple of days?





What is the maximum speed of the existing conventional line? I would assume all conventional lines in China should be capable of at least 120km/h (with some exceptions like sections of Golmud-Lhasa line)? 120km/h max speed should easily allow average speeds of 90-100km/h even for diesel locomotive-hauled trains.

Perhaps the limitation comes from part of the line being single track, so it's a matter of scheduling, not the technical max speed. Aside from the trains to Lhasa, are there any other T trains running a substantial portion of the journey on single track?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:41 AM   #7145
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Airlines should alter strategy to competeUpdated: 2013-12-30 07:13
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Chinese airlines should change their strategies and improve services to survive the competition brought by the rapid expansion of the high-speed railway network, experts said.

"Airlines should not regard the competition between them and high-speed train services as a zero-sum game," said Wang Ya'nan, deputy editor-in-chief at Aerospace Knowledge magazine.

"However, they can use this opportunity to arouse their employees' sense of crisis, to streamline some complicated procedures that hinder operation and to boost efficiency," he said.

On Saturday, China Railway Corp, the national railway operator, said that seven high-speed lines were put into service, and the total length of Chinese rail lines now exceeds 100,000 kilometers, including more than 10,000 km of high-speed lines.

The unprecedented fast growth of the rail network will cut into airlines' business, especially on flights shorter than 1,000 km, experts said.

"Surveys show that at least 30 percent of regular passengers of airlines will be attracted to railways once a high-speed line is opened," said Li Xiaojin, a professor at the Civil Aviation University of China.

"Each time China Railway Corp accelerates a line's speed, airlines have to accordingly increase their discounts to maintain passengers," he said.

As for the newly opened lines, some industry insiders have predicted that Xiamen Airlines will be hit hard, as one of the newly opened lines links Shenzhen, Guangdong province, and Xiamen, Fujian province, according to China Business News.

In the past, trains from Shenzhen and Guangzhou to Xiamen, a famous tourist destination in the country, took 15 hours. Traveling by bus took nine to 10 hours. As a result, many people traveled by air, which takes only an hour. Discounts on air tickets were rare.

However, the new high-speed rail service between Shenzhen and Xiamen, which takes only three hours, will attract many passengers, said Meng Yu, deputy secretary general of Xiamen Container Transportation Association and a local transport expert.

He forecast that air tickets between Xiamen and cities in Guangdong province will be discounted by up to 70 percent, affecting the carrier's profits.

The opening of another high-speed railway in September caused air ticket prices between Xiamen and Wuhan to drop by 80 percent, he said.

A report by Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport last year also predicted that the air passenger volume between Guangzhou and Xiamen will drop 30 percent following the opening of the new high-speed railway.

"Everyone in this business is closely watching railway development," said a publicity manager with a Beijing-based carrier, who refused to be identified.

Airlines must adjust their routes and operation strategies to meet the challenges of competition from high-speed rail, she said, adding that airlines that focus on the domestic market and have many short-haul flights will be the first to be affected by the bullet trains.

But for higher-level transport officials, the expansion of high-speed railways is not necessarily a bad thing.

Li Jiaxiang, head of Civil Aviation Administration of China, said that the rail sector's prosperity does not contradict airlines' interests.

"The civil aviation industry has consistently witnessed high demand for its services but has failed to fully meet passengers' needs. High-speed rail lines help alleviate airlines' pressures and sometimes inject new momentum to their development," Li said.

Yang Chuantang, minister of transport, also said earlier this month that the expanded railways network increases the country's capacity to transport passengers during the 40-day Spring Festival travel peak, which starts on Jan 16.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:49 AM   #7146
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imo it's very hard for airlines to complete with HSR on routes within 1000km distance.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #7147
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What is the maximum speed of the existing conventional line? I would assume all conventional lines in China should be capable of at least 120km/h (with some exceptions like sections of Golmud-Lhasa line)? 120km/h max speed should easily allow average speeds of 90-100km/h even for diesel locomotive-hauled trains.
The conventional lines were not affected by the speed reduction two years ago, so they retain the 160km/h maximum speed on the best lines, most lines are 120km/h capable after the 6th speedup campaign though. You'll need the 2012 version Type 25T carriages and HXD3D/1D/SS8/9 locomotives to run 160km/h service.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 09:20 AM   #7148
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imo it's very hard for airlines to complete with HSR on routes within 1000km distance.
Absolutely true.

I was surprised by the way, that a CRH train from Shanghai or Hangzhou takes almost 8-10 hours to get to Shenzhen. I didn't find anything faster, is there?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #7149
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1951km new rail were built and opened on Dec 28&30 2013

All of them are running 200+ kmph.
  • Xi'an-Baoji HSR, 167km, opening speed 250 kmph;
  • Chongqing-Lichuan Rail, 287 km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Xiamen-Shenzhen, 514km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Liuzhou-Nanning HSR, 223km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Hengyang-Liuzhou rail, 498km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang rail, 162km, opening speed 200 kmph;
  • Qinzhou-Beihai rail, 99.5km, opening speed 200 kmph;
2 questions.

1. Why such a small figure? One member counted it some days ago and got over 3300km.
2. What does opening speed stand for? Will it rise to common 300-320 km/h?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 10:10 AM   #7150
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Absolutely true.

I was surprised by the way, that a CRH train from Shanghai or Hangzhou takes almost 8-10 hours to get to Shenzhen. I didn't find anything faster, is there?
it is just a 250km line,next year when changsha to hangzhou line open,time from guangzhou to shanghai will be reduced to no more than 5 hours.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #7151
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Guilin is an impassable obstacle for high speed trains.

2 G trains daily travel Changsha-Guilin, trip times 3:10 (G537) and 3:26 (G529). G537 originates at Changsha and G529 at Beijing, but neither gets through Guilin.

7 D trains daily travel Nanning-Guilin, trip times 2:39 save D8214 (2:45). None gets through Guilin.

Why is Guilin impassable, and are there any plans for Nanning-Changsha?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #7152
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New lines open on December 30,2013.
1.Nanning-Liuzhou-Guilin
2.Guangxi Coastal HSR(Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang/Beihai)


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Old December 30th, 2013, 11:16 AM   #7153
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2 questions.

1. Why such a small figure? One member counted it some days ago and got over 3300km.
2. What does opening speed stand for? Will it rise to common 300-320 km/h?

1. 3300km is the length of new lines opened for the whole 2013, this one is new lines entering service on Dec 28&30 only.

2. Some lines are designed for 200 (Chongqing - Lichuan) or 250 km/h (Xiamen - Shenzhen and the Guangxi lines).
Xian - Baoji, on the other hand, is for 350 km/h, so once the whole route to Lanzhou is complete, increase in speed should be expected.

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Old December 30th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #7154
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imo it's very hard for airlines to complete with HSR on routes within 1000km distance.
Of course, but airlines should use this competitive pressure to up their own game. China is a big country, there is enough business on medium and long haul flights. On some routes, like Beijing-Shanghai, they should be able to compete effectively with trains. And of course there are all international flights which tend to be the most profitable business for big airlines and are not affected by trains or buses at all.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #7155
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New lines open on December 30,2013.
1.Nanning-Liuzhou-Guilin
2.Guangxi Coastal HSR(Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang/Beihai)
I found only 1 D train daily (sic) Nanning-Beihai. Nonstop, 1:23 for 229 km.
No trace of any service to Qinzhou or Fanchenggang.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #7156
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imo it's very hard for airlines to complete with HSR on routes within 1000km distance.
They should stop trying to milk the domestic cash cow and focus on expanding and improving international links and services.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #7157
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New lines open on December 30,2013.
1.Nanning-Liuzhou-Guilin
2.Guangxi Coastal HSR(Nanning-Qinzhou-Fangchenggang/Beihai)


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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #7158
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China

Major Autonomous areas within Guizhou. (excluding Hui)
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Old December 30th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #7159
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I found only 1 D train daily (sic) Nanning-Beihai. Nonstop, 1:23 for 229 km.
No trace of any service to Qinzhou or Fanchenggang.
D8251 one train daily leaves Nanning 12.30, Qinzhou 13.26, arrive Fangchenggang 1345, return arrives back at Nanning 15.36.

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Why is Guilin impassable, and are there any plans for Nanning-Changsha?
Probably because they haven't finished the new Guilin HSR station. Trains from the south go into Guilin central on a temporary(?) 4km HSR track, and trains from the north also have a 10km spur line off the main HSR route.

Has anybody seen what is actually happening at Liuzhou? That looked like it might have a similar restriction. So it may be OK for D trains to be slowed to go thru classic stations, but not for G trains.
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