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Old December 31st, 2013, 04:40 AM   #7161
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They should stop trying to milk the domestic cash cow and focus on expanding and improving international links and services.
I guess some short distance flights may still survive for,

1. connecting flights
2. people who have better access to airports
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Old December 31st, 2013, 06:47 AM   #7162
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I guess some short distance flights may still survive for,

1. connecting flights
2. people who have better access to airports
No doubt, but the airline industry should just stop complaining and adapt. Codeshare, provide connecting transfers with HSR or focus in longer distance fights.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 08:47 AM   #7163
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No doubt, but the airline industry should just stop complaining and adapt. Codeshare, provide connecting transfers with HSR or focus in longer distance fights.
Maybe Chinese airlines and the government can pioneer a way to drastically reduce the time it takes to get passengers through security and board the plane. I'm not sure how that could really work but that's a way I can see airlines adapt and compete domestically with HSR.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 09:00 AM   #7164
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I guess some short distance flights may still survive for,

1. connecting flights
2. people who have better access to airports
Then thatīs because the high speed stations are poorly placed in cities.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 09:33 AM   #7165
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I mean for the group of people who have better access to airports. I believe most people live near railway stations than airports.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 10:15 AM   #7166
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I mean for the group of people who have better access to airports. I believe most people live near railway stations than airports.
Precisely. And rail, even high speed rail, can have more stations than airports.

It is stupid that flights between Xuzhou and Hongqiao still exist.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 01:25 PM   #7167
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Beijing-Shenyang HSR will begin to be constructed in May 2014 and finished in 2019.By then,the travel time between two cities will cut to 2.5 hours from 5 hours.

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Old December 31st, 2013, 04:05 PM   #7168
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"However, they can use this opportunity to arouse their employees' sense of crisis, to streamline some complicated procedures that hinder operation and to boost efficiency," he said.
My advise for improving air travel in China:
- address the issue of air traffic congestion
- install transfer desks airside which are able to assist passengers
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Old December 31st, 2013, 04:10 PM   #7169
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Beijing-Shenyang HSR will begin to be constructed in May 2014 and finished in 2019.By then,the travel time between two cities will cut to 2.5 hours from 5 hours.
Another flight killer.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 04:24 PM   #7170
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Beijing-Shenyang HSR will begin to be constructed in May 2014 and finished in 2019.By then,the travel time between two cities will cut to 2.5 hours from 5 hours.
It already has been cut from 5 hours! G381, via Tianjin, takes 4:24.

It is the only G train per day, though. There are 14 D trains between 4:48 and 4:59, 3 D trains 5:02 and 5:04, and 1 D train at 6:10.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 05:19 PM   #7171
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Old December 31st, 2013, 10:45 PM   #7172
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Wikipedia map has been updated 2013-12-28: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...p_of_China.svg

One thing I ndon't get is why the coastal HSR was not built up to 350km/h standard? It connect a bunch of important coastal cities and it would make perfect sense to have it as 350km/h.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 12:02 AM   #7173
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If my calculations are correct at this monent China has 6462km of 300+ km/h standard HSR track in revenue service. This is really badass. Especially given that literally all of that was built over the last 7-8 years. I'm not talking of the 200-250km/h lines here which would give us completely different numbers (perhaps no less impressive).

My estimates for the rest of the world are roughly around 8800km (including some 250km/h lines in Japan. I just couldn't be bothered to look for detailed info).

Over the next few years the ratio of China vs. the rest of the world in 300km/h field should pretty much get to 1:1.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:40 AM   #7174
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Because in the southeast coast of China,there are mountainous terrain,the railway is constitue with miles and miles tunnel and viaduct.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 06:13 AM   #7175
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Does anybody know why there is not a D or G train from Chengdu to Shanghai? I looked up the "沪汉蓉高速铁路" on wiki and baidu and both says it is complete. But the Lichuan to Yichuan segment appears to not have any HSR.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 08:54 AM   #7176
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Does anybody know why there is not a D or G train from Chengdu to Shanghai? I looked up the "沪汉蓉高速铁路" on wiki and baidu and both says it is complete. But the Lichuan to Yichuan segment appears to not have any HSR.
Lichuan to Yichang has been complete for a while, but the maximum speed is only about 160 km/h. I read something about bad geology and water seeping in the tunnels in a chinese forum once. Basically, don't expect a true high-speed train between Chengdu and Shanghai in the near future. It may be necessary to build one through a new route at some point with the current line left for freight and local trains. One solution would be linking with Changsha on the Shanghai - Kunming line instead of going through Wuhan. Whether that's actually under consideration I don't know.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 12:00 PM   #7177
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Because in the southeast coast of China,there are mountainous terrain,the railway is constitue with miles and miles tunnel and viaduct.
Another direction with inferior service is Nanjing-Hefei. And thatīs across plain, yet 200 km/h.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:24 PM   #7178
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Another direction with inferior service is Nanjing-Hefei. And thatīs across plain, yet 200 km/h.
I think the main reason in both cases is not so much the mountainous terrain, but that there was no preexisting line, so the new one is meant for mixed passenger and freight use.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 04:41 PM   #7179
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an interesting picture about china hsr network,blue stands for 300km+ line green for 200km+ line,yellow for new 160km line,first picture is the network of 2013,the second is 2020.



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Old January 2nd, 2014, 05:23 AM   #7180
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I think the main reason in both cases is not so much the mountainous terrain, but that there was no preexisting line, so the new one is meant for mixed passenger and freight use.
Nanjing-Hefei was built as a passenger-freight mixed use line, however when it opened it was designated as a PDL. So right now there is no direct Nanjing-Hefei freight line.
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