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Old December 1st, 2009, 03:39 PM   #701
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Thanks for the updates HenanChina.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 04:34 PM   #702
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these are a good reminder of just how little we are doing here in europe,
It is just a reminder of how far behind China must have been before that they are now investing so massively. Railway infrastructure developed steadily in Europe over 150 years. There has never been the need for such a enormous scale of construction.

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i mean sure, recently we had: Berlin hbf, Lisbon hbf, Liége hbf
and we are building Vienna hbf
There are many more railway stations in Europe that have been completely rebuilt over the last few years. Just not every project was showcased in this forum.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:01 PM   #703
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It is just a reminder of how far behind China must have been before that they are now investing so massively. Railway infrastructure developed steadily in Europe over 150 years. There has never been the need for such a enormous scale of construction.

There are many more railway stations in Europe that have been completely rebuilt over the last few years. Just not every project was showcased in this forum.
sure, you can compare Ulm hbf to these...
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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:19 PM   #704
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sure, you can compare Ulm hbf to these...
It serves Ulm. Just as these shiny new stations in China serve their cities. You can't expect Ulm Hbf to break a world record, can you?

But now that you mentioned Ulm. I'm curious to know how a railway station looks like in a Chinese town of the size of Ulm.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 10:27 PM   #705
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Es ist vollkommen scheissegal als was sich die Japsen selbst sehen. Es kommt nur darauf an, was sie de facto sind.

Und seitdem hier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrend...ender_ceremony

Sind sie nicht mehr als eine Marionette der USA---genau wie Deutschland, oder der Irak.

Aber das weißst du ja alles selbst...bist ja ein schlaues schlitzäugiges kerlchen.

Ein schönes Beispiel dafür, dass das Bildungsniveau in Deutschland so immer weiter sinkt.... bis die schlauen schlitzäugigen das Land von stinkenden harrigen und vor allem stumpfsinnigen wie dir zu einer Marionette von ihrem Land machen ;-)

Dann wirst du nicht mehr sagen können, "ich fühle mich aber wie ein DEUTSCHE!" und die schlaue schlitzäugigen werden wissen, dir beizubringen, was du _de facto_ bist :-) and to wit (if you had paid any attention in your high school english class, you'd understand this): a piece of shit soon to be swept into the oblivion of history.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 10:35 PM   #706
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China used to have average railways, now it has exceptional. China wasn't really that far behind, it had a 40,000km+ network serving the entire country at medium speeds, now it will do it at ultra high speeds
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Old December 1st, 2009, 11:51 PM   #707
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[cough]English Please[/cough]

And if Japan is part of the West (maybe only politically, but that is not really important IMHO) is a bit too off topic for this thread.

And China is now in the lucky position that it can develop a High Speed Rail network in this time of economic growth, when Europe and the USA had the same kind of economic change trains where just invented. If Africa develops in 50 years time they will have the newest and best transport system that is available at that moment in time and China will be stuck with it's old steel on steel running trains that only go 350 km/h.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 12:29 AM   #708
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40'000 km is very little for a country of this size.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 02:52 AM   #709
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Germany alone has a railway network of 35.000 kilometres....

And we are a tiny country of 80 million people compared to 1,3 billion in China...
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big for a developing country taken over by imperialists...
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 04:03 AM   #711
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Things are just getting started. This is what the network will look like in 2014. Map courtesy of www.thetransportpolitic.com

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:44 AM   #712
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If Africa develops in 50 years time they will have the newest and best transport system that is available at that moment in time and China will be stuck with it's old steel on steel running trains that only go 350 km/h.
If Africa develops then the trains will be designed and built by China for Africa. By that time China will be a big player in developing Africa. By that time China will not be running on old steel, China will be rich and the consumers will only expect the best and fastest rail system which China will keep on improving their rail system.

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:24 AM   #713
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I recall Korea's KTX got up to 330 km/h.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 11:13 AM   #714
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Ein schönes Beispiel dafür, dass das Bildungsniveau in Deutschland so immer weiter sinkt.... bis die schlauen schlitzäugigen das Land von stinkenden harrigen und vor allem stumpfsinnigen wie dir zu einer Marionette von ihrem Land machen ;-)

Dann wirst du nicht mehr sagen können, "ich fühle mich aber wie ein DEUTSCHE!" und die schlaue schlitzäugigen werden wissen, dir beizubringen, was du _de facto_ bist :-) and to wit (if you had paid any attention in your high school english class, you'd understand this): a piece of shit soon to be swept into the oblivion of history.
Ausser Beleidigungen hast du mal wieder wie immer nix zu bieten...Und das ganze dann noch nichtmal mit deinem echten account sonder mit nem fake...


Btw: Nice Railway pix
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 01:49 PM   #715
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Germany alone has a railway network of 35.000 kilometres....

And we are a tiny country of 80 million people compared to 1,3 billion in China...

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40'000 km is very little for a country of this size.
No, we had a total length of more than 80,000Km in service in 2008, But its still very little, so we are constructing more and more, there will be a total length of 110,000km in 2012.


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Old December 2nd, 2009, 09:21 PM   #716
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I am getting a bit tired of this China is the next power yadda yadda. We will see and if so, than good on China. Let's hope the people of China don't suffer too much in this race of becoming whatever the oligarchs decide it should be. I know that I can never be free in China the way it is now, never even go on facebook or question what other ways might be good for my country. Nice trains, nice blinking stuff etc but in the end, if you can not travel freely, if you don't have the money to go anywhere, if you are not Han...what is it all worth?

Please, let's keep 'China' out of threads on Chinese High Speed Rail and let's not refer to our fellow human beings using physical traits. It is so not nice and has nothing to do with trains.

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I am just awed by the speed and extent of China's current rail construction and just love those over-the-top stations. It is all almost thunderbirds-esque. However, I see many small villages next to the high speed tracks with houses close to the line, but did'nt see many sound barriers on drive-through videos. What are the plans when it comes to protecting people living next to the lines from noise polution?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:00 PM   #717
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Talk about ignorance in the first part... please get some real world knowladge before spilling your ignorance in public... thanks...

as for the second part

I live directly adjacent a commuter heavy rail station in Toronto Canada on a line that is powered exclusively by diesel. Wanna know what me and everybody else have to protect ourselves from noise pollution? Our windows... We're living fine. And don’t make the arguments that stations are quieter than operating lines because anybody who knows anything about trains would know that it is quite the opposite.

These train are electric, thus much quieter, also, most of the lines are risen high up above ground level which allows more sound to dissipate before travelling to the people.

People are praising China because the country and its leadership deserve praise. Others who arn't mostly either don't know any better, are paid to be bashers, or are simply insecure that their long stood stereotypical assumptions of which they've gathered from their narrow source of information media are being turned upside down and smacked back into their face.

no offence intended.
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Talk about ignorance in the first part... please get some real world knowladge before spilling your ignorance in public... thanks...

as for the second part

I live directly adjacent a commuter heavy rail station in Toronto Canada on a line that is powered exclusively by diesel. Wanna know what me and everybody else have to protect ourselves from noise pollution? Our windows... We're living fine. And don’t make the arguments that stations are quieter than operating lines because anybody who knows anything about trains would know that it is quite the opposite.

These train are electric, thus much quieter, also, most of the lines are risen high up above ground level which allows more sound to dissipate before travelling to the people.

People are praising China because the country and its leadership deserve praise. Others who arn't mostly either don't know any better, are paid to be bashers, or are simply insecure that their long stood stereotypical assumptions of which they've gathered from their narrow source of information media are being turned upside down and smacked back into their face.

no offence intended.
None taken at all. I actually am wondering how your post is a reaction on mine, but won't waste too much time on you further; I am sure your knowlAdge is light years ahead of mine and you are the one with access to the right source material.

Is there anybody without a chin on their shoulder (..or is it chip...?) that knows something about this, is willing to share information and doesn't take a fair question as an attack? Are there a lot of sound barriers being put up alongside lines where trains will pass at 350 kph? Are there plans from the ministry of environment being implemented currently?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 11:32 PM   #719
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The "west" has nothing comparable.
Not in Europe, not in Japan(which I regard as part of "the west") and of course not in the US.
And it also doesnt have the abbility to build something comparable within this generation.

It will be interesting to see what will happen, when all those great infrastructure will start to work in everyday service.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 12:08 AM   #720
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The "west" has nothing comparable.
Not in Europe, not in Japan(which I regard as part of "the west") and of course not in the US.
And it also doesnt have the abbility to build something comparable within this generation.

It will be interesting to see what will happen, when all those great infrastructure will start to work in everyday service.
When CRH has transported 7 billion passenger without one single fatality, then you can talk about Japan, I also highly doubt that CRH will ever reach even close to the punctuality of the Shinkansen.

Regarding the west (except for north america), on a per capita basis, china still has some 25-30 years more of railway constructions (at current pace) to catch up.
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