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Old February 7th, 2014, 01:38 AM   #7381
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My very rough calculation gives a number of HS trainsets in Japan somewhere in the range of 500 (is that anywhere near correct?). if so, then Japan, China, Korea and Taiwan combined should have something like 1500 trainsets. It's just hard for me to see where all the trainsets in Europe come from? There are 550+ in France, 200+ in UK, a hundred or so in Germany, 100+ in Spain. Italy? Russia? Still it probably makes it just over a 1000 trainsets.
200 for the UK sounds like it includes the Virgin and East Coast services that run at around 200-225km/h on upgraded conventional tracks, in addition to the Javelin and Eurostar services.

Plus remember that most trains in Europe are around 200m long, whereas in Asia most of the trains are much bigger.

So it's better to think in terms of the number of cars.

And that Asia has a 3+2 seating arrangement as standard, rather than 2+2.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 08:33 AM   #7384
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Old February 7th, 2014, 08:57 AM   #7385
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How big is Tokyo Station, for comparison?
In terms of area it occupies it's roughly comparable to London Waterloo in that satellite image. I'll try to make a visual comparison later.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #7386
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My very rough calculation gives a number of HS trainsets in Japan somewhere in the range of 500 (is that anywhere near correct?). if so, then Japan, China, Korea and Taiwan combined should have something like 1500 trainsets. It's just hard for me to see where all the trainsets in Europe come from? There are 550+ in France, 200+ in UK, a hundred or so in Germany, 100+ in Spain. Italy? Russia? Still it probably makes it just over a 1000 trainsets.
You are forgetting Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland and Portugal. All of those countries have some 200 km/h trains. Also you underestimated numbers in some of the bigger countries. For example there are 259 ICE train sets in Germany and there might be some IC's capable of 200 km/h as well. Easily 1,500+ when you count all the countries together. European train networks are quite dense and there are many stretches suitable for 200 km/h running.

Impact of latest developments in China is probably bigger if only 300 km/h+ trains are counted.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #7387
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You are forgetting Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland and Portugal. All of those countries have some 200 km/h trains. Also you underestimated numbers in some of the bigger countries. For example there are 259 ICE train sets in Germany and there might be some IC's capable of 200 km/h as well. Easily 1,500+ when you count all the countries together. European train networks are quite dense and there are many stretches suitable for 200 km/h running.

Impact of latest developments in China is probably bigger if only 300 km/h+ trains are counted.
You might be right. My research was very brief and approximate. 1500 sounds like a possible number.
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Really nice pictures. Do you happen to have hi-res ones for last group?
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Old February 9th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #7393
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Table time

I created a couple of tables with comparison of HSR systems in terms of length.

The comparison includes the following ways of measuring it:
- 300km/h and above by country;
- 300km/h and above China vs. rest of the world;
- 270km/h and above (a fairer way to do it) by country;
- 270km/h and above China vs. rest of the world

I used Wikipedia pages of respective articles on HSR in each country. Assuming the information on English Wikipedia is accurate and I didn't make some silly mistakes those numbers should be pretty accurate.

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I was about to do a similar comparison of 200+ km/h lines but soon realised it's too much of a challenge because there is too much data and it doesn't seem too reliable or accurate.

If the data is correct I think this year we should be looking forward at something rather extraordinary: China will have more 300+ km/h (not too sure about 270+ km/h) lines than the rest of the world combined.

Can anyone confirm what and when is the next 300-350km/h line opening in China?

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Old February 10th, 2014, 03:15 AM   #7394
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Table time
I created a couple of tables with comparison of HSR systems in terms of length.
The comparison includes the following ways of measuring it:
- 300km/h and above by country;
- 300km/h and above China ns rest of the world;
- 270km/h and above (a fairer way to do it) by country;
- 270km/h and above China vs. rest of the world
I used Wikipedia pages of respective articles on HSR in each country. Assuming the information on English Wikipedia is accurate and I didn't make some silly mistakes those numbers should be pretty accurate.
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I was about to do a similar comparison of 200+ km/h lines but soon realised it's too much of a challenge because there is too much data and it doesn't seem too reliable or accurate.
If the data is correct I think this year we should be looking forward at something rather extraordinary: China will have more 300+ km/h (not too sure about 270+ km/h) lines than the rest of the world combined.
Can anyone confirm what and when is the next 300-350km/h line opening in China?
for China,their line is

120km/h freight line
160km/h passenger(normal train)/freight line
200km/h passenger(bullet train and few normal trains) freight line
250km/h most are PDL,few has some freight train
300~350km/h PDL,ballestless track

so 270km/h line is the same length as 300+km/h line
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Old February 10th, 2014, 03:23 AM   #7395
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for China,their line is

120km/h freight line
160km/h passenger(normal train)/freight line
200km/h passenger(bullet train and few normal trains) freight line
250km/h most are PDL,few has some freight train
300~350km/h PDL,ballestless track

so 270km/h line is the same length as 300+km/h line
I know China doesn't have lines above 250km/h but below 300km/h. The reason I created the 270+ km/h measure was to have a fairer reflection of HSR in Japan and Germany.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #7396
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My very rough calculation gives a number of HS trainsets in Japan somewhere in the range of 500 (is that anywhere near correct?). if so, then Japan, China, Korea and Taiwan combined should have something like 1500 trainsets. It's just hard for me to see where all the trainsets in Europe come from? There are 550+ in France, 200+ in UK, a hundred or so in Germany, 100+ in Spain. Italy? Russia? Still it probably makes it just over a 1000 trainsets.
CRH380A-6149 is the 1000th high speed EMU trainset produced in China, and it was delivered on Jan 9th, 2014. So counting all imported trainsets, the two trainsets lost, and trainsets delivered since Jan 9th there should be right around 1010 HSR trainsets in commerical and technical service in China.
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CRH380A-6149 is the 1000th high speed EMU trainset produced in China, and it was delivered on Jan 9th, 2014. So counting all imported trainsets, the two trainsets lost, and trainsets delivered since Jan 9th there should be right around 1010 HSR trainsets in commerical and technical service in China.
In that case the total in Asia should be something nearer to 1700?
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Old February 10th, 2014, 04:25 PM   #7398
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Compare it to some stations in Europe to have a better perception of the scale:
The stations in China resemble regional airports more than train stations.

Usually they are 500m X 350m or larger.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #7399
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In that case the total in Asia should be something nearer to 1700?
Shouldn't a 16-car 400m trainset in China be counted as the equivalent of 2x 8-car 200m trainsets from Europe?
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Xi-an to TaiYuan to DaTong CRH updated 2014-02-03:

http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=xE0C...nSV6nXwE-2ejWa

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本工程计划于2013年2月18日开工,2015年5月31日竣工。

1.原平西站(含)至太原北段:2014年10月10日完工,2014年10月11日至2014年11月30日静态验收,2014年12月1日至2015年4月30日联调联试,2015年5月1日至2015年5月31日试运营;

大西四电一项目正在组立电气化第一杆
2.太原南至运城北(不含)、临潼东线路所至灞河特大桥787#墩台段:2013年11月20日完工,2013年11月21日至2013年12月31日静态验收,2014年1月1日至2014年5月31日联调联试,2014年6月1日至2014年6月30日试运营;

3.运城北经临潼东线路所至临潼东段:2013年9月30日完工,2013年10月1日至2013年11月30日静态验收,2013年12月1日至2014年4月30日联调联试,2014年5月1日至2014年5月31日试运营。

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The project is scheduled to February 18, 2013 started May 31, 2015 for completion.

1 original Pingxi Station (inclusive) to Taiyuan North: October 10, 2014 completed, October 11, 2014 to November 30, 2014 Static acceptance, December 1, 2014 to April 30, 2015 The testing, May 1, 2015 to May 31, 2015 trial operation;

Onishi four electric electrification project is the first rod assembly
2 Taiyuan south Yuncheng North (not included), Lintong East line** Suozhi # 787 Bahe Bridge pier segments: November 20, 2013 completion, November 21, 2013 to December 31, 2013 Static acceptance , January 1, 2014 to May 31, 2014 FBI try, June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014 trial operation;

3 Yuncheng North East Line Suozhi by Lintong Lintong East**: September 30, 2013 completion, October 1, 2013 to November 30, 2013 Static acceptance, Dec. 1, 2013 April 30, 2014 FBI test day, May 1, 2014 to May 31, 2014 trial operation.
This appears to suggest a staged rollout of the line in segments, with the Xi-an to TaiYuan to ShiJiaZhuang segment completing trial operations, which usually immediately precede scheduled public operations, by the end of May or June and the segment north of TaiYuan to DaTong scheduled for completion one year later.

15 to 20 weeks or fewer until this line is partially active, it seems.

This will shorten Xi-an to BeiJing travel times with trains then able to take a BeiJing - ShiJiaZhuang -TaiYuan - Xi-an route directly without diverting to the Southeast via ZhengZhou and saving 60 or more kms of travel.

Line appears to begin as 250kph rated with upgrade potential to 350kph. Most lines operate at -50kph of rated speeds as top speed, so this line may have a normal top speed of 200kph in daily use.

**Lintong Lintong East:
This is the station at the TerraCotta Soldiers museum, in an eastern suburb of Xi-an. Refers to the line segment that runs from Xi-an, across the Yellow River, to YunCheng, and then on to TaiYuan.

**Suozhi # 787 Bahe Bridge pier segments:
Refers to the Yellow River bridge for this CRH segment
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