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Old February 23rd, 2014, 12:27 AM   #7461
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flankerjun the pictures you posted are amazing!!!! China HSR looks so awesome!
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:27 AM   #7462
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flankerjun, you are the man. Nice updates..
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:33 AM   #7463
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Great update indeed.

When is the Hangzhou to Changsha opening again?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 02:59 PM   #7464
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"Most" of which stations?

Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway has 23 stations on main line, including termini.
The mega-stations in that post with the photos, that's what.

I will explicate:

Most of the terminal stations for new CRH 250+km/hour railway PDL lines have a subway metro built into the station.

For examples see the photos posted in the post referenced of the large stations compared to European stations.

Xian, Guangzhou South, Shenzhen, Wuhan, Zhengzhou, Shanghai, Suzhou, etc.

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Old February 23rd, 2014, 03:21 PM   #7465
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Linking mass transit with long distance rail is just common sense. Urban centers located on small islands would be the obvious exception. Someone is bound to come along and complain about the lack of long distance rail in Okinawa, or Oahu, or whatever.
At this date, China has an odd hybrid system.

If you wish to travel cheaply you can. It will take you 18 to 37 hours, it will cost you only 200Yuan but you will be able to get a seat on an old train NNNN moving at 55-72 kms per hour average speed. These are the trains from the 'speed up' campaigns of the 1990's.

You can also take local and inter/intra city buses. These travel at 30 to 40 kms per hour average speed. Bigger buses between large cities in the day, 93kms/hour avg. Sleeper buses at night are 72 kms/hour average speed like the old NNNN trains.

Then you can hop onto a CRH, travel the same distance in 1/6th the time. An 18 hour trip becomes 3 hours. And so on.

You can then disembark and get onto the local Metro and in 35 minutes be in the centre of the city.

Prior to 2008 that trip would have taken you 5 hours. With the CRH/Metro pairing it will take fewer than 90 minutes. Bus or train trips from the North to Guangzhou were 37 hours prior to 2008, now they can be done in 8 or 9 hours.

This results in odd situations where a trip of 975kms consumes 3 hours and 14 minutes but then the final 325 kms of your journey takes another DAY.

So everything is fast, IF you stay on CRH and Metro or Fly.

But the instant you get onto local ground transport, speeds can drop to very low levels.

These speeds were all measured by me on trips I took, using roadside markers, ChinaTrainGuide rail distances, Baidu maps, and a timer.

Do the buses go faster? Well, of course. But due to many factors the average speed is very slow.

Driving, private auto driving, average speed on the freeways, highways and toll roads is 55-65kms per hour average speed. Also for a variety of reasons.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 08:23 PM   #7466
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If you wish to travel cheaply you can. It will take you 18 to 37 hours, it will cost you only 200Yuan but you will be able to get a seat on an old train NNNN moving at 55-72 kms per hour average speed. These are the trains from the 'speed up' campaigns of the 1990's.

Then you can hop onto a CRH, travel the same distance in 1/6th the time. An 18 hour trip becomes 3 hours. And so on.

Prior to 2008 that trip would have taken you 5 hours. With the CRH/Metro pairing it will take fewer than 90 minutes. Bus or train trips from the North to Guangzhou were 37 hours prior to 2008, now they can be done in 8 or 9 hours.

This results in odd situations where a trip of 975kms consumes 3 hours and 14 minutes but then the final 325 kms of your journey takes another DAY.
Example times North to Guangzhou:
Harbin-Guangzhou:
K1124 - 51 hours
T238 - 35 hours
Tianjin-Guangzhou:
K1124 - 34 hours
3 T trains: 24 to 26 hours
Beijing-Guangzhou:
K599 - 30 hours
4 T trains: 20:36 (T15) to 21:46 (T13)
4 G trains: 10:01 (G67) to 9:14 (G69). But an express train (7:59) has vanished!
Baotou-Guangzhou - 42 hours (K599)
Taiyuan-Guangzhou:
2 K trains 32-34 hours
G624 - 10:01
Shijiazhuang-Guangzhou:
2 K trains 26 to 30 hours
6 T trains 18:34 to 21:04
6 G trains 7:52 to 8:36
Zhengzhou-Guangzhou:
3 K trains 20:44 to 21:07
11 T trains 14:57 to 17:10
20 G trains, of which 18 take 5:59 to 6:34, and 2 expresses take 5:37 and 5:39
Wuhan-Guangzhou:
1 train K922 takes 18:26, with detour via Ganzhou
the other 15 K trains take 12:11 to 14:36
14 T and 1 Z train take 10:21 to 11:35
2 D trains take 6:15 and 6:17
non-express G trains take 4:02 to 4:56
3 express G trains take 3:39 to 3:41
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:08 PM   #7467
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Zhengzhou to Xuezhou HSR line
This segment is one that will fill the gap from Central China to the Coast.

Now one must get onto NNNN rail if one wants to travel from Urumqi to Xian, from Xian to Shanghai, from ShiJiaZhuang to Shanghai and this leg, from Zhengzhou to XueZhou and SE to Shanghai.

Going south to Wuhan to transfer makes the trip noncompetitive with flying.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #7468
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Old February 25th, 2014, 06:41 AM   #7469
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Great zooming sequence
Where?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:07 AM   #7470
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Changsha-Kunming HSR line
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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:49 AM   #7471
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some pictures I taken last year with my cell phone

Shenyang North railway station
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Shenyang raiway station
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Shijiazhuang railway station
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Hankou railway station
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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:57 AM   #7472
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I just love the extensive use of bridges for the high speed railway system. Fascinated by it. I don't see any downsides for using bridges almost everywhere for high speed railways as long as the country can afford it.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #7473
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Changsha-Kunming HSR line
Typical terrain of Guizhou Province
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Old February 25th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #7474
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I just love the extensive use of bridges for the high speed railway system. Fascinated by it. I don't see any downsides for using bridges almost everywhere for high speed railways as long as the country can afford it.
I also like it, but if they were to do this in my country, people would be up in arms because they would say it is "polluting the view".
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #7475
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Lanzhou-Urumqi HSR

Lanzhou-Urumqi HSR in Gansu Province,Western China.

Left side:The qilian mountains
Righ side:Lanzhou-Urumqi HSR
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #7476
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News update
After 5 years’ debate and consultation,Beijing-Shenyang HSR line will begin to construct the first 3 long tunnels of all the 110 tunnels on Mar 5,and land expropriation will finish before May,construction of the whole line will begin after the labor day.When finished in 2019,time from shenyang to Beijing will be cut into 2.5 hours from 5 hours.Beijing-Shenyang HSR line is a very important main line of the whole HSR network,which should have opened in 2013,but due to enviroment problem,construction has been delayed for almost 5 years.
This line located in the northeast of Hebei province and northwest of Liaoning province,not the usual line along the coast.Because this area already has a 250KM/H Qinhuangdao to Shenyang line.The northeast of Hebei province and northwest of Liaoning now is far behind other areas in the province,They only have a line almost 100 years old,built by JP,with a top speed of 80km/h.This HSR line will be benefit for the devopment of these areas.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:29 PM   #7477
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News update
After 5 years’ debate and consultation,Beijing-Shenyang HSR line will begin to construct the first 3 long tunnels of all the 110 tunnels on Mar 5,and land expropriation will finish before May,construction of the whole line will begin after the labor day.When finished in 2019,time from shenyang to Beijing will be cut into 2.5 hours from 5 hours.
That time already is 4.5 hours, on G382.
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Beijing-Shenyang HSR line is a very important main line of the whole HSR network,which should have opened in 2013,but due to enviroment problem,construction has been delayed for almost 5 years.
This line located in the northeast of Hebei province and northwest of Liaoning province,not the usual line along the coast.Because this area already has a 250KM/H Qinhuangdao to Shenyang line.
Was it excempted from Second Slowdown Campaign?
Also, at what top speed shall Beijing-Chengde-Shenyang high speed railway operate in winter 2019/2020?
200 km/h?
250 km/h?
300 km/h?
350 km/h?
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The northeast of Hebei province and northwest of Liaoning now is far behind other areas in the province,They only have a line almost 100 years old,built by JP,with a top speed of 80km/h.This HSR line will be benefit for the devopment of these areas.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #7478
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If people in Beijing were the problem, I never understood why they didn't just start building 90% of the line 5 years ago and figure the last bit into Beijing out later.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #7479
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Was it excempted from Second Slowdown Campaign?
Also, at what top speed shall Beijing-Chengde-Shenyang high speed railway operate in winter 2019/2020?
200 km/h?
250 km/h?
300 km/h?
350 km/h?
It is a purely 350km/h line,the operating speed i think may be 350km/h,these areas are not so cold comparing to Harbin.
China has 5 lines which are extremly busy,and they are the hear of the whole railway net work,they are Beijing-Guangzhou,Beijing-Shanghai,Beijing-Harbin,Xuezhou-Xian,Shanghai-Changsha,so you will find there is a parallel 350km/h line along these line,and they are all built earlier then other lines.
Target of Slowdown Campaign are mainly lines in the west,this line is in the east,one of the 5 bus5 lines,one is the capital of China, the other is the biggest city in northeast,it is a 350km/h line wihout any suspicion.
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It is a purely 350km/h line,the operating speed i think may be 350km/h,these areas are not so cold comparing to Harbin.
China has 5 lines which are extremly busy,and they are the hear of the whole railway net work,they are Beijing-Guangzhou,Beijing-Shanghai,Beijing-Harbin,Xuezhou-Xian,Shanghai-Changsha,so you will find there is a parallel 350km/h line along these line,and they are all built earlier then other lines.
Target of Slowdown Campaign are mainly lines in the west,this line is in the east,one of the 5 bus5 lines,one is the capital of China, the other is the biggest city in northeast,it is a 350km/h line wihout any suspicion.
350km/h is designed Speed not operating Speed.
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