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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #741
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40'000 km is very little for a country of this size.

Yes, China need more railway, at least 120,000km. So government invest a lot of money in infrastructure construction of railway every year.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:43 PM   #742
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New Hangzhou Railway Station(CRH) 新杭州站

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:50 PM   #743
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Jiling Railway Station(CRH) 新吉林站

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM   #744
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Taiyuan Railway Station(CRH) 新太原站

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:06 PM   #745
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Xi'an Railway Station(CRH) 新西安站/西安北站

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:14 PM   #746
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Qingdao North Railway Station(CRH) 青岛北站

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:18 PM   #747
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Sorry, it was a typo, I didn't know Henan was a place!
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:25 PM   #748
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You don't seem to understand that I'm talking about investments, not about track length, the number of passengers or density of the traffic. I'm talking about the railway investments per capita, in western europe the investments have been in the range of around 100 euros per inhabitnat per year for decades.

For china with a population of 1,35 billion, that means 135 billion euros every year for several decades.
My argument still stands. I don't think you fully understand what I've posted.

Assume building 100km of track cost 1000 dollars and let's assume that it costs the same no matter where you are in the world (isn't true but for this purpose lets make it true for now).


Let's assume that Europe have 100 people and China have 200.

The cost per capita for building the 100km of track in Europe will be 10 dollars and cost per capita in China would be 5.

And also, using your logic, Canada still wins.

BTW. Taking PPP into account the cost in China would probably be at around 2. And there are a whole range of other issues that stands behind what I'm putting forward but I'm at works so I won't spend too much time going into details. Point is, your way to measure railway coverage per capita is wrong.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:35 PM   #749
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Taiyuan and Xi'an deserve better stations.

These designs are aren't even on par with midiocre.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:51 PM   #750
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Taiyuan and Xi'an deserve better stations.

These designs are aren't even on par with midiocre.
The exterior design of the Xi'an station looks great. It's a modern take of Tang simplicity.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:03 PM   #751
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Taiyuan and Xi'an deserve better stations.

These designs are aren't even on par with midiocre.
The practicability of Railway Station is more important than good-looking.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:08 PM   #752
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The project of Zhengzhou-Xi'an CRH(350km/h Total:485km) will be completed soon. Next year, maybe January or February.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:11 PM   #753
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The practicability of Railway Station is more important than good-looking.
Why not practicable and good-looking at the same time?
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:24 PM   #754
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Why not practicable and good-looking at the same time?
Ok,Ok, Do it, make one that perfect with practicable and good-looking by youself and post it here tomorrow!

Say something is one thing, do something is another. There are many different
aethestic standard in every mind.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #755
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OMG! Your logic is so funny.

Don't tell me that you think China will be at a standstill.

Are not you know the technology of CRH 380km/h is under developing?

And do you know something like "Maglev".

Shanghai-Hangzhou Maglev(450km/h+) will start to construct soon.
It was more a hypothetical example, but it could become true.

With the current growth figures there will be a moment when China is fully developed and then the economic growth figures won't be as impressive as they are now. Just look at North-west Europa and Japan, very rich countries with modest economic growth figures. Then it will be hard to keep up the current rate of investments in the rail network to keep it up to date with the latest technology.

Construction will be more expensive, and that will be a big point when there is already a good system in place. Japan would already have a brand new expensive Maglev when they hadn't built a Shinkansen line from Tokyo to Osaka in the 1960s. Right now it just takes a very long time to actually get the new Maglev project from the ground with extremely high costs.

But China with it's huge population still has a big growth potential left, so I don't expect that the economic growth will come to a hold in the coming decades. But that probably still doesn't mean that in 20 years China will construct new better Maglev on the same routes of the lines that they are currently building, only if they are actually needed.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #756
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It was more a hypothetical example, but it could become true.

With the current growth figures there will be a moment when China is fully developed and then the economic growth figures won't be as impressive as they are now. Just look at North-west Europa and Japan, very rich countries with modest economic growth figures. Then it will be hard to keep up the current rate of investments in the rail network to keep it up to date with the latest technology.

Construction will be more expensive, and that will be a big point when there is already a good system in place. Japan would already have a brand new expensive Maglev when they hadn't built a Shinkansen line from Tokyo to Osaka in the 1960s. Right now it just takes a very long time to actually get the new Maglev project from the ground with extremely high costs.

But China with it's huge population still has a big growth potential left, so I don't expect that the economic growth will come to a hold in the coming decades. But that probably still doesn't mean that in 20 years China will construct new better Maglev on the same routes of the lines that they are currently building, only if they are actually needed.

But I guess his/her point is that the countries of which we're making our comparisons here will, potentially one day, come to par with each other; Which was a rebuttal to an earlier post stating that some countries will always, to the end of time, be ahead of others.
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Ok,Ok, Do it, make one that perfect with practicable and good-looking by youself and post it here tomorrow!

Say something is one thing, do something is another. There are many different
aethestic standard in every mind.
There are many examples of practical good looking buildings in this thread; Shenyang Pro A, Shenzhen, Daqing, and Xuzhou, I find, are all examples of them.

Having an opinion is one thing but allowing other to have theirs is also very important.

Xian’s station is a good station and if it were built in a city like Jiling it would with no question be a spectacular masterpiece. But given Xian historical importance and modern stature, I would say that city could afford to have a more significant looking building to use as its high speed gateway to the rest of China.

Personally I find the station to be the fruit of a failed attempt to design a contemporary minimalist impression of the ancient Tang dynasty architectural style. It strikes with the taste of an excessively simplistic version of neo-modernist feel in that it seems too simple to be seen as decorated, yet too much to be seen as minimal. To me it doesn't carry the right rubbings. And frankly I if feels like it's something that a rural Chinese village bao-fa-hu would pick as his/her family estate. No offence intended.

But again, the building it self may turn out to be much more successful than it is shown on the renders. Pictures sometimes can be misleading.

So for now, I hope Xian gets another proposal. Otherwise, I hope it turns out well, or at least better than what I've seen in the CG.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 04:26 AM   #758
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Guyssssss come on this type of discussion is just boring and nobody will change their ideas.

Chinas rulezzz, Europe ruzlezzz, USA rulezzz too

You want to show China as a developt country send more pictures

Great photos, I love the Hengyang East Railway Station from distant. It looks like a great castle from 2000 years ago or something.

Go high speed rail..
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Old December 4th, 2009, 05:36 AM   #759
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Looking at these pictures and the scope of this project makes me very sad that Americans have become a nation of "no we can't" and "but it's too expensive"..

Americans would rather see a 36 lane freeway a quarter mile wide cutting through a never ending sea of single family homes on 1 acre lots with no sidewalks and no transit...

Rather than seeking to improve not only quality of life, but quality of place, which is equally as important, we just seek ways to make the commute in our giant gas guzzlers faster on ever wider freeways that we might get home to our bland "piece of the countryside in the city" so we can scorn our neighbors and whine about government programs we don't like and cast anyone with a differing opinion as a socialist leacher living off "my hard earned tax dollars"...

What a joke of a country we have become.. truly as John McCain put it... a nation of whiners. Scared, angry, full of faux outrage whiners at that.

But I'm sorry for totally derailing (haha.. n pun intended) this thread. The stations are beautiful and I'm sure the train ride will be incredibly smooth and comfortable.
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OMG! Your logic is so funny.

Don't tell me that you think China will be at a standstill.

Are not you know the technology of CRH 380km/h is under developing?

And do you know something like "Maglev".

Shanghai-Hangzhou Maglev(450km/h+) will start to construct soon.
you are braggadocio.
CRH 380km/h is under developing by Bombardier in German, China MoR have sent dozens of billion RMBs to support the Zefiro.
Shanghai-Hangzhou Maglev will never go to operation, never.
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