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Old March 13th, 2014, 11:07 AM   #7641
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That's right.
Then why cannot CRH2A pass Guilin to travel Nanning-Changsha?
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Old March 13th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #7642
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I'm confused about this Nanning and Nanning East thing.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #7643
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I am currently planning a HS rail trip around China (Shenzhen-Shanghai-Beijing-Guangzhou) in order to have an extensive first-hand experience of the system including fast (300+ km/h) and slower (200+ km/h) lines. I have previously traveled on D and G trains on some short inter-city distances. I did some research on schedules, speeds, stations, fares and types of trains and even before I even did it is simply mind-boggling how much land travel in China has been transformed over the past few years (even one year ago I could have not done such a trip...). It's without any doubt the biggest passenger transport revolution that has ever happened anywhere. Travel in China is becoming easy peasy including for foreigners who speak no Chinese or have no extensive knowledge of the country or transport system. What has been happening towards this goal over the past few years is absolutely remarkable.
Countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America can learn from how good connectivity makes a difference from China. Especially India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #7644
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Any dates on the next round of HSR line openings?
Nothing more than what is known. Datong opening up this summer, other lines and intercities opening up this year and next.

The big km count increases will come from the line to Kunming and the one to Urumqi.

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High speed train in China is cheaper than bus and air.
Only sometimes. Long distance buses are about 80-95% of the price of a 2nd class CRH ticket. This includes overnight sleeper buses as well as daytime long haul routes between large cities. Air discount fares can sometimes be found that match or are lower than CRH tickets.

Many Chinese think that the long haul buses are too expensive and prefer the slower trains, so having those consumers ride CRH is unlikely as they already think the current options are too pricey.

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I'm confused about this Nanning and Nanning East thing.
Most Chinese cities have multiple major bus stations and train stations. Even cities of 250,000 will have 3 bus stations.

The CRH lines are usually far outside of cities to save on land acquisition costs, so they often have a station far away from the city and other train stations. Beijing South, Xi-an North, Guangzhou North/South, and so on.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #7645
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Countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America can learn from how good connectivity makes a difference from China. Especially India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
They can but they don't. And dare I say they won't. I wish I was wrong though. This is a showcase of what a difference can be made by a competent and dedicated government which actually wants the country to move forward.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #7646
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Only sometimes. Long distance buses are about 80-95% of the price of a 2nd class CRH ticket. This includes overnight sleeper buses as well as daytime long haul routes between large cities.
2nd class G train, or 2nd class D train?
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Old March 14th, 2014, 04:10 AM   #7647
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I am currently planning a HS rail trip around China (Shenzhen-Shanghai-Beijing-Guangzhou) in order to have an extensive first-hand experience of the system including fast (300+ km/h) and slower (200+ km/h) lines. I have previously traveled on D and G trains on some short inter-city distances. I did some research on schedules, speeds, stations, fares and types of trains and even before I even did it is simply mind-boggling how much land travel in China has been transformed over the past few years (even one year ago I could have not done such a trip...). It's without any doubt the biggest passenger transport revolution that has ever happened anywhere. Travel in China is becoming easy peasy including for foreigners who speak no Chinese or have no extensive knowledge of the country or transport system. What has been happening towards this goal over the past few years is absolutely remarkable.
Take some pictures and share them
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Old March 14th, 2014, 05:07 AM   #7648
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There are rumors that Beijing-Shanghai and Beijing-Guangzhou HSR will raise speed to 330kmph in this year. Let's cross the finger and see.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 07:32 AM   #7649
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Only sometimes. Long distance buses are about 80-95% of the price of a 2nd class CRH ticket.
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2nd class G train, or 2nd class D train?
Cost per km in Yuan, Zhengzhou-Guangzhou or Xian example route:
G-train
2nd Class 0.373
1st Class 0.448

D-train
2nd Class .263
1st Class .337

Long haul day buses are about 80Y per 250kms
.32 to .37 per km

Overnight sleeper buses are .20 to .24 per km.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 08:32 AM   #7650
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Take some pictures and share them
Not just pictures but I'm planning to buy a GoPro cam for that purpose too. I'm looking for someone to travel together as well.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #7651
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Cost per km in Yuan, Zhengzhou-Guangzhou or Xian example route:
Actual yuan, Zhengzhou-Xian routes:
Zhengzhou East-Xian North 523 km
Zhengzhou-Xian North 505 km
Zhengzhou-Xian 511 km
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G-train
2nd Class 0.373
Zhengzhou-Xian North 229 yuan, Zhengzhou East-Xian North 239 yuan
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1st Class 0.448
Zhengzhou-Xian North 369 yuan, Zhengzhou East-Xian North 382 yuan
trip time 2:02 to 2:52
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D-train
2nd Class .263
Zhengzhou-Xian North 154 yuan, Zhengzhou East-Xian North 159 yuan
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1st Class .337
Zhengzhou-Xian North 249 yuan, Zhengzhou East-Xian North 259 yuan
trip time 2:50 to 3:21
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Long haul day buses are about 80Y per 250kms
.32 to .37 per km

Overnight sleeper buses are .20 to .24 per km.
What are the actual prices?
On D train, soft sleeper 336 yuan
On T and K trains:
hard seat 72 yuan
hard sleeper 136 yuan
soft sleeper 204 yuan
luxury soft sleeper where offered 372 yuan
trip time 5:54 to 9:04
on number trains
hard seat 63 yuan
hard sleeper 127 yuan
soft sleeper 195 yuan
trip time 6:44 to 6:48
on L27
hard seat 35 yuan
trip time 9:05

Hard sleepers on slow trains are from almost twice the price of hard seat to over twice that price.
Why are overnight sleeper buses actually cheaper than daytime buses?
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Old March 14th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #7652
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the third CRH380D was found in Guangzhou,this means CRH380D will be put in use soon


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Old March 14th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #7653
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Are railways in China the cheapest form of travel? In India, railways often keep prices lower than normal to ensure the poorest of the poor can travel by train. How is the situation in Mainland China? Are rail fares subsidized? What is the cheapest Beijing Shanghai ticket?
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Old March 14th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #7654
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What is the cheapest Beijing Shanghai ticket?
156 yuan 5 jiao. Hard seat on 1461 (20:14, overnight).
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Old March 14th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #7655
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Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou HSR

Another new line with 350km/h designed speed,Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou get approved and will begin to be constructed in 2015.It connects Shangqiu city in Central China and Hangzhou in the Eastern,with a total length of 770km,of which 587km are newly built.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #7656
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Another new line with 350km/h designed speed,Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou get approved and will begin to be constructed in 2015.It connects Shangqiu city in Central China and Hangzhou in the Eastern,with a total length of 770km,of which 587km are newly built.
How different is the Hefei-Hangzhou section from the existing Hefei-Nanjing and Nanjing-Hangzhou high speed railways?
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Old March 14th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #7657
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How different is the Hefei-Hangzhou section from the existing Hefei-Nanjing and Nanjing-Hangzhou high speed railways?
It won't need to pass through Nanjing when you take a high speed train from Hefei to Hangzhou.Besides,Hefei-Nanjing Line designed Speed is only 200km/h.
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Old March 15th, 2014, 05:17 AM   #7658
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Travelling from Kunming to Mengzi will only take 1 hour in future
By : InKunming | Published: 2014-March-14
[InKunming--New Kunming Construction] Mile(弥勒)-Mengzi(蒙自) Railway is estimated to start construction in the year, according to the Development and Reform Commission of Honghe Hani & Yi Autonomous Prefecture.
After its construction, trains connecting Kunming and Mengzi will run with a speed of 200 kilometers per hour. By then, it will only take 1 hour from Kunming to Mengzi by the new inter-city train.
According to the project plan, the 208-kilometer-long railway will cost an investment of 18 billion Yuan. It will depart from Kunming and end at Mengzi, passing by Shilin(石林), Mile(弥勒), Kaiyuan(开远) along the way.
Click here to view Chinese report.
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Old March 15th, 2014, 11:47 AM   #7659
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After its construction, trains connecting Kunming and Mengzi will run with a speed of 200 kilometers per hour. By then, it will only take 1 hour from Kunming to Mengzi by the new inter-city train.
According to the project plan, the 208-kilometer-long railway
How is that possible? At 200 km/h, it is not possible to cover 208 km in 1 hour!
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Old March 15th, 2014, 01:53 PM   #7660
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Datong to Xian line also begin.....
This particular picture illustrates very clearly cultural differences and approach to infrastructure construction between China and the West. It's a spectacular viaduct, but no way an analogous structure would have been approved in Europe.


On another note, is it likely that aviation industry in China ups its game in the next 5-10 years and gives a more serious competition to HSR for routes longer than 600-700 km?
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