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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:21 PM   #8001
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and also new CRH2,with a new nose and color,more parts from CRH380A to reduce the producing Cost,will be used in Lanzhou-Xinjiang line.
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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:37 PM   #8002
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and also new CRH2,with a new nose and color,more parts from CRH380A to reduce the producing Cost,will be used in Lanzhou-Xinjiang line.
Are there any pictures?
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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #8003
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Are there any pictures?


this is a model,and the real one is still Confidential
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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:50 PM   #8004
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some news
New 380KM/H bullet train for cold weather from CSR will come out few months later,now only CNR have this kind of trains.
Shall these high speed cold weather trains be in service by 1st of December, 2014, or shall Harbin-Dalian and Panjin-Yingkou high speed railways be slowed down to 200 km/h for winter 2014/2015 as it was limited to 200 km/h in winters 2012/2013 and 2013/2014?
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Old May 11th, 2014, 02:07 PM   #8005
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Shall these high speed cold weather trains be in service by 1st of December, 2014, or shall Harbin-Dalian and Panjin-Yingkou high speed railways be slowed down to 200 km/h for winter 2014/2015 as it was limited to 200 km/h in winters 2012/2013 and 2013/2014?
this train is aimed to Breaking the monopoly of CNR in cold weather trains,after all most 350KM/H line in China are located in the North,and the demand for this kind train is huge,monopoly of CNR is not good for the development,as for how to use this train i do not know,the speed in Harbin-Dalian line actully a political problem not a technology problem,the leader of China railway corpration is a dude Conservative,he did not want try anything that have a "risk" ,the CSR want to test the CIT500 at 600KM/H but he did not Approve it.
and it may need 2 years before train put in commercial use.
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Old May 11th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #8006
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...the leader of China railway corpration is a dude Conservative,he did not want try anything that have a "risk" ,the CSR want to test the CIT500 at 600KM/H but he did not Approve it...
That is not good, me sad

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Old May 12th, 2014, 07:16 AM   #8007
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Well, Sheng Guangzu got appointed in the wake a huge corruption scandal for the MoR as well as concerns of building too much too fast. Then the Wenzhou disaster happened and everything slowed down quite a bit. However, I see it as a good thing, since the new CRC supposed to be focused on ridership, safety and profitability instead of just build, build, build and breaking records. Conservationism and prudence sometimes is needed in a hot headed environment where there is too much excitement.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 01:59 PM   #8008
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concerns of building too much too fast. Then the Wenzhou disaster happened and everything slowed down quite a bit. However, I see it as a good thing, since the new CRC supposed to be focused on ridership, safety and profitability instead of just build, build, build and breaking records. Conservationism and prudence sometimes is needed in a hot headed environment where there is too much excitement.
Building is going on. What shall be the next high speed railway line or connection to open? Because these improve ridership.

Manchuria is ill served because of these winter speed limits. Sure, there are changes of schedule in the rest of China. But these are small. Beijing-Shanghai is 300 km/h year round, and G1 and G3 have the same schedule since opening.

I suspect that the dramatic changes of schedule on Manchurian railways are bad for ridership - they hamper people in getting into habit of taking the train and out of habit of flying. It would be very good if Manchurian Railway could find a solution to sustain 300 km/h throughout winter.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #8009
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NEWS for JUNE 1st new schedule

mainly some long-distance trains,
Shenyang,Tianjin to Wuhan.
Shanghai,Nanjing,Wuhan to Chengdu,
Fuzhou to Chengdu,Chongqing.
more trains on the current lines.
Datong-Xian line will open.
Xian to Taiyuan 8 pairs
Baoji to Taiyuan 2 pairs
Yuncheng to Taiyuan 10 pairs
Linfen to Taiyun 1 pairs.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #8010
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For normal line, more short-distance train will be cancelled,the “green” train will Exit the stage of history step by step.
more long-distance trains,it is said there will be a train from Changchun to Urumqi,this train from northeast to northwest,quite amazing.Urumqi will be a bigwinner.
More 25T(160KM/H) cars will replace the current the 25K(140KM/H),there will be more T and K trains.
HXD3D/HXD1D will put in use to Improve the speed at Slopes.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #8011
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Pictures of Harbin-Dalian line.
I love the bridge and ballestless track.



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Old May 12th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #8012
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construction of Chengdu-Xian line,it is great fot people that love travel.BUt sadly it is a 250KM/H line,not 350KM/H.











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Old May 12th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #8013
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Lanzhou-Xinjiang line,the final cleaning work.




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Old May 13th, 2014, 05:04 AM   #8014
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Awesome updates as always!
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Old May 13th, 2014, 05:59 AM   #8015
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Well, Sheng Guangzu got appointed in the wake a huge corruption scandal for the MoR as well as concerns of building too much too fast. Then the Wenzhou disaster happened and everything slowed down quite a bit. However, I see it as a good thing, since the new CRC supposed to be focused on ridership, safety and profitability instead of just build, build, build and breaking records. Conservationism and prudence sometimes is needed in a hot headed environment where there is too much excitement.
Well, construction rate is as fast as ever right now. Rate of the construction is just a result of huge investment and human capital dedicated. As long as trains are full, there will be no significant issue of finance, I believe.

China railway revenue (passenger + freight) in 2013 was more than 600 billion yuan roughly 100 billion $.

Moreover, what is the risk of a record? You can try couple of times without publicity, then go with public run. This is how it is done anyway, you have to test it quite extensively.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #8016
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Well, Sheng Guangzu got appointed in the wake a huge corruption scandal for the MoR as well as concerns of building too much too fast. Then the Wenzhou disaster happened and everything slowed down quite a bit. However, I see it as a good thing, since the new CRC supposed to be focused on ridership, safety and profitability instead of just build, build, build and breaking records. Conservationism and prudence sometimes is needed in a hot headed environment where there is too much excitement.
one obvious lethal side effect of 'the wake of a huge corruption scandal' is that many technocrats were either sacked or transferred, leaving a chaotic (and frightened) administration overseeing the HSR operation.

operation speeds were already lowered before the accident, not vice versa. not to mention that it was Sheng's then policy(trying to avoid delays) and administration that led to the accident. I have no problem with people calling him conservative, however I find it quite ironic when he's called 'prudent'. his only contribution to 'safety' is himself as a counterexample: high speed does not cause accidents, horrible administration does.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 09:32 AM   #8017
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construction of Chengdu-Xian line,it is great fot people that love travel.BUt sadly it is a 250KM/H line,not 350KM/H.

Beautiful updates. After seeing pictures of the terrain it looks like 250km/h is still a major achievement. Is this line upgradeable to 350km/h or is the "slower" speed due to the terrain and track curve radius?
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Old May 13th, 2014, 09:38 AM   #8018
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NEWS for JUNE 1st new schedule

mainly some long-distance trains,
Shenyang,Tianjin to Wuhan.
Shanghai,Nanjing,Wuhan to Chengdu,
Fuzhou to Chengdu,Chongqing.
Are these number, K, T, Z, D or G trains?
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more trains on the current lines.
Datong-Xian line will open.
Xian to Taiyuan 8 pairs
Baoji to Taiyuan 2 pairs
Yuncheng to Taiyuan 10 pairs
Linfen to Taiyun 1 pairs.
Shall there be any trains Xian-Taiyuan-Shijiazhuang besides the trains that already run Xian-Zhengzhou-Shijiazhuang?
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Old May 13th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #8019
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Beautiful updates. After seeing pictures of the terrain it looks like 250km/h is still a major achievement. Is this line upgradeable to 350km/h or is the "slower" speed due to the terrain and track curve radius?
Today you can achieve any speed at any terrain,it is just the problem of money,in china,most of HSR are bridge and tunnel,so the cost is nearly the same between 250KM/H and 350KM/Hthe original speed is 350KM/H and then slow down to 250km/H,BUT the cost is the same,this is why so many people hate Mr shengguangzhu.
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Beautiful updates. After seeing pictures of the terrain it looks like 250km/h is still a major achievement. Is this line upgradeable to 350km/h or is the "slower" speed due to the terrain and track curve radius?
Lots of mountains, much like Sichuan NW of Chengdu into Tibet and Monastery Country.

I will look on the local fora and find out what they plan - the giveaway is always curve radius.

They were going to cancel the Xian-Chengdu and Xian-Chongqing lines in favour of the Chengdu-Lanzhou with a spur to Xian, but it seems that has (happily) changed. Also lines from Chengdu to Kunming AND Chongqing to Kunming AND Chongqing were cancelled but possibly restarted. Statements to the effect that the MOR will maintain production rates at a constant strongly suggest more PDL to come when current lines are completed.

Good times for train fans.

{Edit.:} So I pulled up the local forum and the information for the Xian-Chengdu PDL is *very* sparse. Just line length and budget and one or two thin paragraphs. Other PDL's have huge pages of information. This one, almost nothing. I did notice that the line length is 643km and a direct line from Xian to Chengdu going through the largest 3 or 4 cities is 639kms in straight lines. This suggests a more-or-less straight shot directly between the cities and that implies top speeds can be 350 and curve radii are large.

But, again, no information on this at all on the page. I am speculating.
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