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Old May 13th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #8021
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so the cost is nearly the same between 250KM/H and 350KM/Hthe original speed is 350KM/H and then slow down to 250km/H,BUT the cost is the same,this is why so many people hate Mr shengguangzhu.
But the ticket price is not the same. "D" trains cost much less on similar distances - even when the speed is actually the same.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 06:30 PM   #8022
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A train from Changchun to Urumqi,this train from northeast to northwest,quite amazing.Urumqi will be a bigwinner.
This would be most impressive as the distance is at least 4,000kms.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #8023
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It seems odd that they'd do a primary line from Chengdu to Lanzhou with a spur to Xian, given how many more people live in Xian than Lanzhou. What was the justification for that idea?
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Old May 13th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #8024
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It seems odd that they'd do a primary line from Chengdu to Lanzhou with a spur to Xian, given how many more people live in Xian than Lanzhou. What was the justification for that idea?
If you pull up the national grid, it appears they thought it was overkill. Chongqing has a line to Xian planned as a local extension. These projects get cancelled, then restarted.

China has areas compete, so they bid against each other. Chengdu and Chongqing have a rivalry. Both have lines to Lanzhou and to Guiyang

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Old May 13th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #8025
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Datong-Xian line will open.
Xian to Taiyuan 8 pairs
Baoji to Taiyuan 2 pairs
Yuncheng to Taiyuan 10 pairs
Linfen to Taiyuan 1 pairs.
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Beijing to Yuncheng 2 pairs.
Beijing to Linfen 1 pair.

The times they are talking about suggest this line will be a 'high' 250. 2.5 hours Xian to Taiyuan is an avg speed (600+kms) of 240+. Possibly 300kph top speed.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 07:46 PM   #8026
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Beijing to Yuncheng 2 pairs.
Beijing to Linfen 1 pair.

The times they are talking about suggest this line will be a 'high' 250. 2.5 hours Xian to Taiyuan is an avg speed (600+kms) of 240+. Possibly 300kph top speed.
240km/h average is only possible with 300-350km/h max speed. But certainly not with 250km/h line.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #8027
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the test train CRH2-016C on the way to Urumchi

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Old May 13th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #8028
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Existing long-distance trains from Urumqi:
  1. T70 Urumqi-Taiyuan-Beijing 3113 km
  2. K596 Urumqi-Hangzhou 4168 km
  3. K454 Urumqi-Chengdu 3026 km
  4. K544 Urumqi-Chongqing 3593 km
  5. T36 Urumqi-Guangzhou 4684 km
  6. T178 Urumqi-Baotou-Beijing 3216 km
  7. T54 Urumqi-Shanghai 4077 km
  8. K1584 Urumqi-Chongqing 3593 km
  9. T194 Urumqi-Wuhan 3595 km
  10. T198 Urumqi-Zhengzhou 3079 km
  11. K1338 Urumqi-Taiyuan-Jinan 3134 km
  12. K2060 Urumqi-Chengdu 3026 km
  13. K1352 Urumqi-Lianyungang East 3638 km
  14. 1086 Urumqi-Zhengzhou-Jinan 3747 km
  15. K176 Urumqi-Zhengzhou 3079 km
Seeing the number of destinations direct from Urumqi, the lack of direct trains Urumqi-Manchuria looked conspicuous.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #8029
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Are there any meaningful destinations more in the classical HSR distance (2-4 h travel time) from Urumqi? If not I doubt the train will be all that successful, particularly among well-off people.
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Old May 14th, 2014, 04:12 AM   #8030
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240km/h average is only possible with 300-350km/h max speed. But certainly not with 250km/h line.
Correct, which is why I mentioned a potential line speed increase.

There is one way to do it without 300/350 - stop only once or twice - but that does not seem to be the plan.
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Old May 14th, 2014, 04:18 AM   #8031
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Are there any meaningful destinations more in the classical HSR distance (2-4 h travel time) from Urumqi? If not I doubt the train will be all that successful, particularly among well-off people.
Some of the world's greatest historical sites along the silk road, ancient trading towns, caves full of literature on scrolls, stunning physical beauty, the western terminus of The Great Wall, just to name a few.

It also connects The West to Central China. Aircraft fly there, obviously (3.5 hours), but trains are cheaper and more convenient in many ways.

I do wish they would finish the Baoji-Lanzhou segment. That is current 'green rail' and adds 5 hours to a trip. Xian-Urumqi will be 8 or 9 hours with a 100% HSR link. This would make it convenient for tourists, and Xian gets many, to hop the HSR to Urumqi for a few days whilst visiting. 2 days travel time, 2 days stay.
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Old May 15th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #8032
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Today you can achieve any speed at any terrain,it is just the problem of money,in china,most of HSR are bridge and tunnel,so the cost is nearly the same between 250KM/H and 350KM/Hthe original speed is 350KM/H and then slow down to 250km/H,BUT the cost is the same,this is why so many people hate Mr shengguangzhu.
I am not sure if the cost will still be the same when they build the line with 250KM/H in mind. Given how difficult the Qinling terrain is, a nice chunk of change can be saved.

While on the topic HSR out of Sichuan basin, the current Shanghai - Chengdu HSR line is complete FUBAR. The direct train start in July and still takes 14 hours. Shanghai to Wuhan alone takes 5.5 hours when most of that in on flat land.

And what's the current status with Chongqing Guizhou HSR? Everytime I look up the construction progress things gets delayed. The whole line would be under 400KM in length and the terrain and there is no Qinling or 3 Gorge to go through.
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Old May 16th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #8033
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I am not sure if the cost will still be the same when they build the line with 250KM/H in mind. Given how difficult the Qinling terrain is, a nice chunk of change can be saved.

While on the topic HSR out of Sichuan basin, the current Shanghai - Chengdu HSR line is complete FUBAR. The direct train start in July and still takes 14 hours. Shanghai to Wuhan alone takes 5.5 hours when most of that in on flat land.

And what's the current status with Chongqing Guizhou HSR? Everytime I look up the construction progress things gets delayed. The whole line would be under 400KM in length and the terrain and there is no Qinling or 3 Gorge to go through.
I believe there are some 250km/h lines which can be upgraded to 350km/h. In these cases, the cost difference is really not significant since the "hard" infrastructure like bridges and tunnels are built to the same standards. I don't know whether this line is one of those upgradable lines or not.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 04:03 AM   #8034
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Hello everyone.
Request to all of those who travelled via HSR in China.
I'm writing my Master's Thesis on this subject and I'd be very, very grateful (as I come from Europe) if you could answer some questions from my poll.
If you got some friends who live there (or were and travelled by train) - I'd be much obliged if you could spread it.

Here's the link: http://goo.gl/QyXZKz

Thanks a lot & keep up this great forum, see ya around.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #8035
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Hello everyone. Request to all of those who travelled via HSR in China. I'm writing my Master's Thesis on this subject and I'd be very, very grateful (as I come from Europe) if you could answer some questions from my poll. If you got some friends who live there (or were and travelled by train) - I'd be much obliged if you could spread it. Here's the link: http://goo.gl/QyXZKz Thanks a lot & keep up this great forum, see ya around.
Nice survey!
Are you studying transportation planning?
I'm curious what your thesis is exploring.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #8036
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Thanks!
Well, it's quite complicated - I study "Transport", doing my both engineer & master specialization in transport infrastructure, in terms of both rail & roads. Some transportation planning as well, basically it's a mix of everything, but I've chosen Railway Cathedral and I'd like stick to that in my future career, as of now I work in a company connected to roads.

My thesis is about analyzing China's infrastructure and that's the main focus - this poll only gives an idea how their passengers see it from the inside, just to add more value.

If anyone's got a family, friends over there, or someone who travelled to China - thanks in advance for sending it over
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Old May 20th, 2014, 04:52 AM   #8037
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Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou HSR starts construction in 2014

Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou HSR project speeds up. First environment assessment is scheduled during May 10 to May 23. Construction will start within the year.

Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou HSR: 770km (587km new lines)
Speed: 350kmph



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Old May 20th, 2014, 10:54 AM   #8038
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Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou HSR: 770km (587km new lines)
Speed: 350kmph
Then which 183 km are old lines?
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Old May 20th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #8039
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That ZhengZhou-ShangQiu-XuZhou section is slowing down the progress of many PDL's.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 09:06 AM   #8040
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That ZhengZhou-ShangQiu-XuZhou section is slowing down the progress of many PDL's.
Specifically which railway lines are awaiting it?
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