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Old June 23rd, 2014, 05:48 PM   #8241
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:49 PM   #8242
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Well I think you assume you are the only one who had travel experience in China, many of us do and we have much difference experience than you. I don't know if you are just incompetent at planning your trip or just having bad luck, but saying you can only drive 400km a day in China on expressway is completely false.
I encounter your kind all the time. You live in Shanghai or one of the large cities, and you think you know China.

You don't.

It has nothing to do with planning or luck - you simply live in a bubble and are oblivious.

The 50kms trip in 100 minutes happens 10+ times a day, both directions, 7 days a week.

That is what travel is like in the 95% of China that you don't visit.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:50 PM   #8243
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I encounter your kind all the time. You live in Shanghai or one of the large cities, and you think you know China.

You don't.

It has nothing to do with planning or luck - you simply live in a bubble and are oblivious.

The 50kms trip in 100 minutes happens 10+ times a day, both directions, 7 days a week.

That is what travel is like in the 95% of China that you don't visit.
From the trip I took to Yinchuan (granted, I was driving into Inner Mongolia), I do think you have a point. Though, my experience is limited, as I did very little travel over roads during my stay.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:51 PM   #8244
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New railway running map will start on July 1

New running schedules (weekday/weekend/peak) and new routes (Beijing-Xiamen HSR, Beijing-Nanning HSR, Datong-Xi'an HSR etc) will start operation on July 1 2014.

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Schedules for the Datong line have appeared in print, and a quick denial from news.gaotie.cn that the official timetable won't be released until June 26th.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:56 PM   #8245
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This "I know everything and you all don't" attitude has to stop. There is no reason whatsoever to assume expressway driving speeds are significantly slower in the interior. Obviously narrow, winding, mountainous roads are a different story.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:58 PM   #8246
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From the trip I took to Yinchuan (granted, I was driving into Inner Mongolia), I do think you have a point. Though, my experience is limited, as I did very little travel over roads during my stay.
Actually my travels in Inner Mongolia were speedy. It's vast open scenery and a 2h straight drive @100kph with no stops to the airport with nothing in between.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 07:19 PM   #8247
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I encounter your kind all the time. You live in Shanghai or one of the large cities, and you think you know China.

You don't.

It has nothing to do with planning or luck - you simply live in a bubble and are oblivious.

The 50kms trip in 100 minutes happens 10+ times a day, both directions, 7 days a week.

That is what travel is like in the 95% of China that you don't visit.

So you are saying highway speed around a huge metropolis is higher than the speed on an intercity highway? Or, you are saying there isn't highways between cities for 95% of China?
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 10:34 PM   #8248
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So you are saying highway speed around a huge metropolis is higher than the speed on an intercity highway? Or, you are saying there isn't highways between cities for 95% of China?
He's just trolling seeing how gullible we are. He's making claims of fact without any basis in reality at all.

A well known factor in fatal accidents on expressways is excessive speed. There are speed limits for a reason and the limit isn't 30 kph if that was indeed the average speed then why would we need a speed limit at all.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 10:35 PM   #8249
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Actually my travels in Inner Mongolia were speedy. It's vast open scenery and a 2h straight drive @100kph with no stops to the airport with nothing in between.
We weren't going into a large city - and were in a bus - so that might have affected things a bit... In any case, I guess his basic premise makes sense: there are many places where it isn't necessarily easy or fast to travel by car/bus.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 10:49 AM   #8250
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Flushing out faster
24 Jun 2014



CHINA: Smith Brothers & Webb is to install its Britannia automated emptying system for controlled-emission train toilets at the future Shek Kong high speed train depot on Hong Kong’s Express Rail Link.

This will be able to evacuate 800 l of effluent in 8 sec, allowing a single operative to clean the tanks on a 12-car high speed train in 10 min. There will be three installations at the depot, with a fourth as back-up.

‘The speed and ease of use of the new Britannia CET system makes it particularly attractive for high speed trains’, said Smith Brothers & Webb Chairman Harvey Alexander.

‘With more trains now running at night there is less time available for maintenance. Consequently we have already received a number of enquiries from train operators who are moving toward more of a 24 h a day service. Operators want swift turnarounds of trains, and this fully-automated Britannia CET certainly delivers - it can empty three times as many tanks as a conventional model in the same time.’
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Old June 24th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #8251
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Datong Railway ''Official'' release for trains from last week, no schedule or fares until the 26th:'

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http://sx.sxgov.cn/content/2014-06/1...nt_4660940.htm

http://sx.sxgov.cn/content/2014-06/1..._4660940_2.htm

44 trains M-Thur, 4 additional on weekends F-Sun and 4 more additional on holiday periods. 52 total.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #8252
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I encounter your kind all the time. You live in Shanghai or one of the large cities, and you think you know China.

You don't.

It has nothing to do with planning or luck - you simply live in a bubble and are oblivious.

The 50kms trip in 100 minutes happens 10+ times a day, both directions, 7 days a week.

That is what travel is like in the 95% of China that you don't visit.
The 50km trip in 100 minutes sure happens a lot, but mostly in or around those large cities. Long distance travel between tier 2 to tier 4 cities are far quicker than stuck in traffic in ring roads around a tier 1 city. As for smaller towns, see my original reply about alternative means of transportation that people utilize.

It's a bit ironic that you call yourself "China Hand (someone who knows China)" because your wildass comments make me wonder if you have ever visited China at all.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #8253
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(Incidentally "Shanghai or one of the large cities" is now significantly more than 5% of China, i.e. more than 65 million people. If considering 95% of the landmass, then the least populated 95% are practically uninhabited. Shanghai or some other large glitzy East Coast city isn't "real China", but increasingly neither is the rural village time forgot. )
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Old June 25th, 2014, 01:48 PM   #8254
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(Incidentally "Shanghai or one of the large cities" is now significantly more than 5% of China, i.e. more than 65 million people.
5 % of Chinese is about 67 millions
The densely settled municipalities
Shanghai - 23 millions
Beijing - 20 millions
Tianjin - 13 millions
are 56 millions combined. So add 11 millions somewhere, and you get 5 % Chinese.
These 56 millions, about 4 %, are on about 34 000 square km. Which is about 0,3 % of China. So 5 % Chinese likely live in 0,4 % of China.
But looking for 5 % of China: it is about 500 000 square km.
The 3 municipalities were 34 000, as established.
Jiangsu is 103 000 square km. Shandong is 154 000 square km. Guangdong is 180 000 square km.
So Jiangsu, Shandong, Guangdong, Shanghai, Beijing and Tianjin taken together are about 471 000 square km - so about 5 % of China.
And their population is about 335 million people.
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If considering 95% of the landmass, then the least populated 95% are practically uninhabited.
No. By the count above, 75 % of Chinese live in the least populated 95 % of China.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #8255
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Datong Railway average speeds look to be ~160kph, which would suggest a cruising speed of 200 to 215 kph.

Timetable and fares officially released tomorrow morning.

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June 27th or 28th. Or maybe the last minute. Only 4 days remain. Perhaps Monday? Line opens Tuesday.

D2011 timetable from 12306.cn:
Taiyuan South to Xian North
1st Class ¥222.0
2nd Class ¥178.5
Standing Room ¥178.5
08:50
11:47
532-570kMs (Unknown as of writing)

Prices of .33/kM for 2nd and .41/kM for 1st are similar to long distance bus fare per kM which is ~.40/kM.

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Old June 26th, 2014, 03:27 PM   #8256
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Travelling on a CRH2 High Speed Train between Shanghai and Hefei via Nanjing:




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Old June 28th, 2014, 08:11 AM   #8257
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Datong Railway Schedule and Fares up on 12306

Just a part:

140kph to 180kph avg velocities if trip length is 532kMs

Train Number
Departing Station
Arriving Station
Departing Time
Arriving Time
Trip duration Hours:minutes
Fares are ¥222.0 first class ¥178.5 second


D2501
太原南 TaiYuan
西安北 Xian
07:0010:39
03:39
¥222.0 ¥178.5

D2501
太原南
西安北
07:0010:39
03:39

D2503
太原南
西安北
08:2511:22
02:57

D2531
太原南
西安北
09:2813:06
03:38

D2505
太原南
西安北
10:4214:00
03:18

D2533
太原南
西安北
12:2015:56
03:36

太原南
西安北
13:3116:57
03:26

D2509
太原南
西安北
15:0018:21
03:21

D2511
太原南
西安北
16:0019:43
03:43

D2513
太原南
西安北
17:4921:22
03:33

D2515
太原南
西安北
18:4022:16
03:36
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Old June 30th, 2014, 07:24 AM   #8258
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China Railway to launch express trains for e-commerce logistics

Interesting. I reckon those trains will run at night?

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China Railway to launch express trains for e-commerce logistics
Jun 23, 2014
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China Railway Corporation (CRC) will launch six express trains for an e-commerce logistics service 1 July, connecting four first-tier cities. Experts said the new express trains reflect CRC's determination to undergo market-oriented reform and will benefit logistics companies as well as online shopping consumers. It is the first time CRC, which is mainly involved in bulk stock transportation, has entered the flourishing e-commerce logistics market, the report said. The transportation speed and price of the e-commerce express train will be between those of high-speed trains and common cargo transportation, local newspapers reported.

http://www.sbrchina.com/sbr/2014-06-22/china_railway_to_launch_express_trains_for_e-commerce_logistics.html
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Interesting. I reckon those trains will run at night?
Probably, and be used to relocate trains for repair and maintenance. I suspect that these trains are already moving and this just monetises them.

This is a *huge* deal for TaoBao and other eCommerce shipping in China.

If one orders online from Guangzhou and one lives in Beijing, it can take 4-7 days just to move the product from your seller to the warehouse to the train and then to the Beijing train station. Products now are put on the 60kph trains and that takes 2 days to move.

Often when ordering from Down South, things just sit in a warehouse for a few days waiting to get in the pipeline.

This may shorten delivery times to almost overnight, DHL FedEx style. Certainly 2 or 3 day delivery will now be common.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 05:14 AM   #8260
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The Beijing-Shanghai (or Jinghu) High-Speed Railway marked its third operation anniversary on Monday. The 1,318-kilometer high-speed railway that links Beijing, China's capital, and Shanghai, the largest city in the country, has seen more than 220 million passengers during the three years since its innitial operation on June 30, 2011. (Xinhua/Yang Baosen)
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