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Old September 29th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #8561
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Is the Guangzhou-Hangzhou PDL a thing yet?
I'm really suprised that there is no existing plan of connecting the two most populous metropolis in China. Considering Pearl River Delta which inhabits more than 100 million people, connecting it with Shanghai seems more demanded than Beijing and Shanghai.
It exists - but direct trains don´t. All trains Xiamen-Shenzhen terminate at Shenzhen North station.
There are 8 daily G trains that travel from Guangzhou South to Chaoshan via Shenzhen North - but all of them terminate there, and none continue to Xiamen, Fuzhou, Hangzhou or Shanghai.
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Or alternatively, would it be feasible if a shortcut line is made to connect Guangzhou to Shanghai via the existing Hangzhou-Changsha line? Maybe meeting at Nanchang? I can see that 4-5 hr commute between the two metropolis feasible and very attractive to business, competitive to aviation industry too.
Any thoughts?
Hangzhou-Changsha line does not exist. A slow speed railway does go Hangzhou-Zhuzhou. But it takes a minimum of 7:39 (D105). Add Shanghai-Hangzhou (a minimum 45 minutes to Hangzhou East, 1:11 to Hangzhou) and Zhuzhou-Guangzhou (at least 2:19) - and you are speaking of 11 hours, not 4-5.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 05:35 AM   #8562
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Hangzhou-Changsha line does not exist. A slow speed railway does go Hangzhou-Zhuzhou. But it takes a minimum of 7:39 (D105). Add Shanghai-Hangzhou (a minimum 45 minutes to Hangzhou East, 1:11 to Hangzhou) and Zhuzhou-Guangzhou (at least 2:19) - and you are speaking of 11 hours, not 4-5.
Later this year the Nanchang-Hangzhou HSR will open, which will allow high-speed service from Guangzhou to Shanghai/Hangzhou/Nanjing via the Guangzhou-Changsha and Changsha-Nanchang-Hangzhou lines. These are both fast PDL lines so the journey time will be fairly fast despite the non-direct route.

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Or alternatively, would it be feasible if a shortcut line is made to connect Guangzhou to Shanghai via the existing Hangzhou-Changsha line? Maybe meeting at Nanchang?
A new high-speed line from Shenzhen North to Nanchang via Ganzhou is expected to begin construction in 2015 for completion in 2020. This line is planned to be a 350 km/h PDL and allow the journey time between the PRD and Shanghai/Hangzhou to be further reduced.

At Huizhou East, this line will intersect with a new Guangzhou East-Shanwei HSR, which will allow direct trains from Guangzhou East to access the Shenzhen-Nanchang HSR line too, in addition to those that will join the Shenzhen-Xiamen line at Shanwei. Guangzhou East is being expanded to accommodate these HSR services.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 07:57 AM   #8563
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Yes, that line is the only one that has not yet commenced construction in some form. However, the western section of Guangfo circle line between Foshan West and Guangzhou North has also not yet commenced construction. Nor have the inner sections of lines to Guangzhou and Guangzhou East which are actually upgrades of existing lines and will be completed as part of the station expansion projects.
Any idea as to when the project might commence?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 08:06 AM   #8564
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The Guangfojiangzhu project?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 08:16 AM   #8565
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I presume that is the light blue line going Guangzhou-Foshan-Jiangmen-Zhuhai Airport.

That said I am fairly sure Zhuhai-Zhuhai airport hasn't started yet either, as the critical bridge Hengqin-airport has been somewhat delayed.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 08:43 AM   #8566
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That said I am fairly sure Zhuhai-Zhuhai airport hasn't started yet either, as the critical bridge Hengqin-airport has been somewhat delayed.
The bridge you mention has been delayed, but the rest of the project phase 1 (Zhuhai-Changlong Park) is under construction since January 20th 2014. Phase 2 (Changlong Park-Zhuhai Airport) will commence construction before the end of the year.

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Any idea as to when the project might commence?
The Guangfojiangzhu project?
No, unfortunately that line has no construction schedule yet. It was supposed to be started before 2016 but was pushed back. At the same time the Guangzhou station expansion project was brought forward to allow intercity lines to serve the centre of Guangzhou. This was considered more important than the Guangfojiangzhu project, which may end up pushed into phase 2 of the PRD intercity network (completed after 2020).
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Old September 30th, 2014, 08:57 AM   #8567
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Four tracks now (two fast, two slow) and still four after the upgrade of the two slow tracks. However, a new freight line will be constructed from Guangshen Railway (before Xintang) to Jingguang Railway north of Guangzhou to divert a lot of freight trains away.
What´s "before" Xintang? Is it the direction between Xintang and Nantang, or the direction between Xintang and Shapu?

Also, a lot of freight will be diverted - is that railway under construction?
Another thing: Yunlu station is supposed not to be for passenger service. Yet it was built in 1911. Was it not for passenger service in 1911 either?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #8568
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What´s "before" Xintang? Is it the direction between Xintang and Nantang, or the direction between Xintang and Shapu?
The direction of Shapu, but the line will actually intersect with the Guangshen Railway at Shitan station.

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Also, a lot of freight will be diverted - is that railway under construction?
No, not yet under construction. It has just received its final environmental impact report and a firm construction date will be set after some small changes are made to the plan. The period of construction will be 4 years for this line.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 09:40 AM   #8569
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I note that the stations of Suiguanshen railway from Guangzhou East to Xintang exist. Shipai and Jishan are both old stations on Kowloon-Canton railway.

I also note that two stations on Kowloon-Canton railway are NOT on Suiguanshen railway. Xiayuan and Nangang.
Now, the map shows that on the 27 km distance between Guangzhou and Guangzhou North, Guanqing Railway shall have 2 stations, namely Tangxi and Jianggao.
Do these 2 stations already exist on the Guangzhou-Shaoguan railway?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #8570
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I note that the stations of Suiguanshen railway from Guangzhou East to Xintang exist. Shipai and Jishan are both old stations on Kowloon-Canton railway.
Yes, that branch of the Suiguanshen line is the old Kowloon-Canton railway tracks III and IV (slow tracks), which are being upgraded. Those 2 stations will be re-constructed to allow intercity passenger service. The other stations will not be upgraded and intercity trains will not stop there.

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Now, the map shows that on the 27 km distance between Guangzhou and Guangzhou North, Guanqing Railway shall have 2 stations, namely Tangxi and Jianggao.
Do these 2 stations already exist on the Guangzhou-Shaoguan railway?
I think there is/was an old freight station called Tangxi in a similar location, but these 2 intercity stations will actually be new stations. That line will have new intercity tracks constructed parallel to the old tracks because the old lines are already saturated. So it needs new stations too.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 10:36 AM   #8571
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I see that Guangqin railway has a railway station named Qingyuan.
Now, on Guangzhou-Wuchang slow speed railway, the next station attested after Guangzhou North is Yuantan, 41 km after Guangzhou North. On Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed railway, the next station attested after Guangzhou North is Qingyuan, 36 km after Guangzhou North.

Is Qingyuan Station on Guanqin Line the same station where Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed railway stops?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 10:45 AM   #8572
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I see that Guangqin railway has a railway station named Qingyuan.
Now, on Guangzhou-Wuchang slow speed railway, the next station attested after Guangzhou North is Yuantan, 41 km after Guangzhou North. On Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed railway, the next station attested after Guangzhou North is Qingyuan, 36 km after Guangzhou North.

Is Qingyuan Station on Guanqin Line the same station where Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed railway stops?
No, it's a different station. The Guangzhou-Wuhan HSR Qingyuan station is quite far from Qingyuan itself and is not convenient for short-distance trips. The Guangzhou-Qingyuan intercity station is going to be close to the city centre.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 11:00 AM   #8573
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I´d expect the old Guangzhou-Shaoguan slow speed railway to have been built near existing city centres back in 1916, and city centres to have grown up around stations in the almost century since.
Does the Yuantan station on Guangzhou-Wuchang slow speed railway have a significant city centre around it?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 11:19 AM   #8574
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I´d expect the old Guangzhou-Shaoguan slow speed railway to have been built near existing city centres back in 1916, and city centres to have grown up around stations in the almost century since.
Does the Yuantan station on Guangzhou-Wuchang slow speed railway have a significant city centre around it?
Qingyuan city has some really rugged terrain closely surrounding it to the north. If the old line had gone into the city centre, they would have to either continue through the mountains (probably not possible or way too costly back then) or make a significant deviation backwards to go around them.

The Guangzhou-Wuhan HSR makes a bend to brush the outer eastern edge of Qingyuan before going around the terrain.

The Guangqing intercity line ends in Qingyuan so it can go right into the heart of the city centre and then end just before it reaches the mountains.

Looking on street view, Yuantan does have some urban areas around it too, but nowhere near the extent of Qingyuan city. I have never been there myself.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #8575
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Lanzhou-Urumqi HSR

Test runs have completed in Xinjiang section,which will officially open in October 2014.

1.CRH5 train in Hami,Xinjiang,Northwest of China.


2.CRH2 train in Hami


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Old September 30th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #8576
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1. Guangfozhao line (Guangzhou - Foshan - Zhaoqing)

The first of these to open will be the main section (Foshan - Zhaoqing) of the Guangfozhao line on 30th June, 2015.
There already is a railway line Guangzhou-Foshan-Zhaoqing, that is 109 km long and makes a stop at Sanshui. It continues from Zhaoqing to Maoming and beyond, and the 49 km section Guangzhou-Sanshui has been operating since 1903.
Does the Guangfozhao line that opens in 2015 follow the same route?
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There already is a railway line Guangzhou-Foshan-Zhaoqing, that is 109 km long and makes a stop at Sanshui. It continues from Zhaoqing to Maoming and beyond, and the 49 km section Guangzhou-Sanshui has been operating since 1903.
Does the Guangfozhao line that opens in 2015 follow the same route?
No, it's a totally different line. The route is similar in parts and actually crosses over the original line a few times, but it's all new HSR tracks and stations. The original line is a low-capacity single track diesel line. Some stations on the new intercity line have the same name as stations on the original line (like Sanshui and Zhaoqing) but they are totally different.

The second section (Guangzhou-Foshan West) will mostly follow the old route and Foshan station in the intercity system is the original, current Foshan station.

The Guangzhou-Nanning HSR will also stop in Zhaoqing, but that will be a different station too. This line will serve Sanshui South, which is less convenient than either the original or new intercity Sanshui stations.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #8578
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Therefore, trains will temporarily terminate at Guangzhou South instead, using the Nanning-Guangzhou HSR line between Foshan and Guangzhou South.
Does it mean that the old (in service since 1903) Fatsan Station, now served by 2 slow speed railways (Canton-Fatsan, double track since opening in 1903, and Fatsan-Samsui, open since 1904 but still single track), shall in December also be the intersection station of 3 high speed railways: Foshan-Guangzhou South, Foshan-Wuzhou via Zhaoqing, and Foshan-Guilin via somewhere?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 02:38 PM   #8579
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Does it mean that the old (in service since 1903) Fatsan Station, now served by 2 slow speed railways (Canton-Fatsan, double track since opening in 1903, and Fatsan-Samsui, open since 1904 but still single track), shall in December also be the intersection station of 3 high speed railways: Foshan-Guangzhou South, Foshan-Wuzhou via Zhaoqing, and Foshan-Guilin via somewhere?
No, Foshan West will be the main HSR hub and intersection of all those lines. It's a new station under construction and until it's completed, there will be no stop in Foshan and all trains will go direct to Guangzhou South. Only the intercity line will go to old Foshan station, and not until the Guangzhou station upgrade is complete, which will take several years. Also, the first phase of Guangfozhao intercity line will only open in 2015.

I should have said "using the Nanning-Guangzhou HSR line between Foshan WEST and Guangzhou South"
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Old September 30th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #8580
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So the state of lines this December shall be as follows:
Foshan West under construction
Guangzhou-Wuzhou and Guangzhou-Guilin high speed railways both open, passing through the under construction station nonstop?
Also I note that Foshan West to Guangzhou South shall also be served by Guangfo Circle Line and Foguan Line sometime.
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