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Old October 6th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #8621
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Note that a major long-distance railway in Shenzhen is just 75 km/h top speed, single track and unelectrified.

Is there any prospect to upgrade Pinghu-Shenzhen West railway? And where is Shenzhen West station relative to Qianhai central business district?
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Old October 6th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #8622
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Guys is it reasonable to expect to get a seat (either 2nd or 1st class) on the 7:00a.m. D2282 Shenzhen North-Shanghai Honqiao train while booking 2 days in advance? I'm going to take this train and just wonder if 2 days is enough for the booking. Or should I not worry?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #8623
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Guys is it reasonable to expect to get a seat (either 2nd or 1st class) on the 7:00a.m. D2282 Shenzhen North-Shanghai Honqiao train while booking 2 days in advance?
Right now, I see that for 9th, 1st class is sold out and 2nd available.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:57 AM   #8624
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Note that a major long-distance railway in Shenzhen is just 75 km/h top speed, single track and unelectrified.

Is there any prospect to upgrade Pinghu-Shenzhen West railway?
Yes, in the latest version of the Shenzhen railway development plan, it was decided that the Pinghu-Shenzhen West line will be made into a double-track, electrified railway, which will become part of the PRD intercity rail network. That section will form part of a longer line which begins in Huizhou city centre then via Chenjiang, Longgang district (Shenzhen), Pinghu, Shenzhen North, Qianhai Bay and eventually through a tunnel across the PRD to Zhuhai. The Huizhou section has 8 stations in the early plan but Shenzhen stations are not yet determined, only that there will be 7-8 of them including:

1. interchange with the Humen-Longgang intercity line in Longgang district
2. interchange with Metro line 3 and express metro line 14 at Longcheng Square
3. interchange with Guangshen Railway at Pinghu
4. interchange with HSR, metro line 4 and metro line 5 at Shenzhen North
5. Qianhai Bay or Shenzhen West, which is located in Qianhai Bay area. Qianhai Bay will become a major development zone with an integrated major transport hub.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 09:50 AM   #8625
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but Shenzhen stations are not yet determined, only that there will be 7-8 of them including:

1. interchange with the Humen-Longgang intercity line in Longgang district
2. interchange with Metro line 3 and express metro line 14 at Longcheng Square
3. interchange with Guangshen Railway at Pinghu
4. interchange with HSR, metro line 4 and metro line 5 at Shenzhen North
5. Qianhai Bay or Shenzhen West, which is located in Qianhai Bay area. Qianhai Bay will become a major development zone with an integrated major transport hub.
The Shenzhen stations now are:
that 3) Pinghu
4) Mugu (3)
5) Bantian (17)
a planned Tanglang Station
6) Xili (28)
7) Shenzhen West (35)
then branches to
Mawan (40,4)
Shekou West (41,1)

So I am curious about that 4). Does the Pinghu-Shekou railway go through the Shenzhen North high speed railway station?

Also, Pinghu Station already is in the middle of four railways. Kowloon-Canton railway goes through in two directions, Pinghu-Shekou railway, but also Pinghu-Yantian railway. So will a fifth railway branch be built Pinghu-Huizhou?
Also, how many passenger station does or should Pinghu-Yantian railway have?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:45 AM   #8626
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So I am curious about that 4). Does the Pinghu-Shekou railway go through the Shenzhen North high speed railway station?
It passes through a tunnel directly beneath the station building, at right angles to the HSR tracks above. There is currently no platform/station there for that line but space is reserved to construct an underground platform for the above mentioned intercity rail project.

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Also, Pinghu Station already is in the middle of four railways. Kowloon-Canton railway goes through in two directions, Pinghu-Shekou railway, but also Pinghu-Yantian railway. So will a fifth railway branch be built Pinghu-Huizhou?
Yes, an additional line will be built from Pinghu to Huizhou.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:57 AM   #8627
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Should a new station be built on Kowloon-Canton low speed railway and Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway on their crossing, between Shenzhen East and Pinghu on Kowloon-Canton low speed railway and between Shenzhen North and Pingshan on Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway? What is the place now like?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #8628
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Should a new station be built on Kowloon-Canton low speed railway and Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway on their crossing, between Shenzhen East and Pinghu on Kowloon-Canton low speed railway and between Shenzhen North and Pingshan on Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway? What is the place now like?
I like the idea, but I have not heard about any plans to implement it. It seems a logical thing to have an interchange there, so maybe it will happen some time.

At the intersection currently, the Shenzhen-Xiamen HSR is elevated fairly high on a viaduct which passes over the Kowloon-Canton railway (which is at ground level). There is a major expressway about 100 m to the north of the intersection (parallel to the HSR and also elevated), but not much else in the immediate area. Just waste land.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 11:50 AM   #8629
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Concerning that Guangzhou-Zhaoqing high speed railway: it is the longest quadruple track high speed railway in China!

Beijing-Tianjin has 2 parallel high speed double track railways, namely Beijing-Tianjin and Beijing-Shanghai railway, but these are separate several kilometres away, going to Tianjin and Tianjin South respectively. Shanghai-Nanjing has a quadruple track railway only for 50 km section Hongqiao-Kunshan South. For Kunshan-Nanjing section, the Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway and Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway Shanghai-Nanjing section again diverge by several kilometres.

So the around 110 km section Guangzhou-Zhaoqing will be the longest four track high speed railway on the same route. Correct?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 01:33 PM   #8630
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Concerning that Guangzhou-Zhaoqing high speed railway: it is the longest quadruple track high speed railway in China!

Beijing-Tianjin has 2 parallel high speed double track railways, namely Beijing-Tianjin and Beijing-Shanghai railway, but these are separate several kilometres away, going to Tianjin and Tianjin South respectively. Shanghai-Nanjing has a quadruple track railway only for 50 km section Hongqiao-Kunshan South. For Kunshan-Nanjing section, the Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway and Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway Shanghai-Nanjing section again diverge by several kilometres.

So the around 110 km section Guangzhou-Zhaoqing will be the longest four track high speed railway on the same route. Correct?
I don't think it will be as far as 110 km from Guangzhou South to Zhaoqing East, but should be more than the 50 km section in Shanghai. Zhaoqing East is about 20-30 km away from the city centre of Zhaoqing.

The PRD intercity Guangfozhao line will provide interchange with HSR at Zhaoqing East so passengers can reach the city centre easily by changing trains.

Also, the first 15 km from Guangzhou South will be 6 HSR tracks because the HSR to Wuhan, Nanning and Guiyang are all directly beside each other!
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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #8631
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Also, the first 15 km from Guangzhou South will be 6 HSR tracks because the HSR to Wuhan, Nanning and Guiyang are all directly beside each other!
Foshan West will be further from Guangzhou Station than the 22 km or so of Foshan Station. But what will be the distance Foshan West-Guangzhou South by 4 tracks of the HSR?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 08:09 PM   #8632
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Guys is it reasonable to expect to get a seat (either 2nd or 1st class) on the 7:00a.m. D2282 Shenzhen North-Shanghai Honqiao train while booking 2 days in advance? I'm going to take this train and just wonder if 2 days is enough for the booking. Or should I not worry?
2 days when? This week? Forget it.

You must plan far in advance for National Week. Most trains are completely sold out past the 10th, including SRO tickets.

Buy as far in advance as you can.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #8633
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2 days when? This week? Forget it.

You must plan far in advance for National Week. Most trains are completely sold out past the 10th, including SRO tickets.

Buy as far in advance as you can.
28th-30th of this month.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 06:21 AM   #8634
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How is this for the long term planning:

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Old October 8th, 2014, 07:29 AM   #8635
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How is this for the long term planning:

As far as I know,it is just a idea from a Chinese expert,and a freight line is more feasible.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 10:29 AM   #8636
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How is this for the long term planning:
Complicated geological conditions indeed! Under Fram Strait from Spitsbergen to Greenland, and then right over Greenland Ice Sheet!
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Old October 8th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #8637
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Shenyang-Dandong HSR
this is the best autumn scence in north China.



HSR and Shenyang-Dandong highway

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Old October 8th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #8638
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this is the Dandong Station,and on the other side of the river is North Korea.

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Old October 8th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #8639
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When does Shenyang-Dandong high speed railway open?

And how about Dandong-Pyongyang high speed railway?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 02:43 PM   #8640
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When does Shenyang-Dandong high speed railway open?

And how about Dandong-Pyongyang high speed railway?
you can tell from the pictures that now is the construction of track,and the timetable is Aug 2015.for the Pyongyang,i think,impossile.
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