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Old October 8th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #8641
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Will Dandong Station be the first CRH border station?

Zhuhai and Futian stations are not on foreign borders;
Harbin-Qiqihar HSR is getting ready in this December, but not Qiqihar-Manzhouli HSR
Hami-Urumqi HSR opens on some day this month, but not Urumqi-Alashankou or Urumqi-Khorgos HSR
Changsha-Nanning is open and Guangzhou-Nanning HSR opens in this December, but not Nanning-Pingxiang HSR.

And what will be the second HSR border station?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 04:54 PM   #8642
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Will Dandong Station be the first CRH border station?

Zhuhai and Futian stations are not on foreign borders;
Harbin-Qiqihar HSR is getting ready in this December, but not Qiqihar-Manzhouli HSR
Hami-Urumqi HSR opens on some day this month, but not Urumqi-Alashankou or Urumqi-Khorgos HSR
Changsha-Nanning is open and Guangzhou-Nanning HSR opens in this December, but not Nanning-Pingxiang HSR.

And what will be the second HSR border station?
yep.but also a city called Hunchun,i do not know which will be the first.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #8643
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Complicated geological conditions indeed! Under Fram Strait from Spitsbergen to Greenland, and then right over Greenland Ice Sheet!
That is just messed up drawing, the idea is obviously going over Bering to Alaska, Canada then continental US.

Same with the trans-Asian one, it does not go over South China Sea
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Old October 8th, 2014, 08:40 PM   #8644
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Shenyang-Dandong HSR
this is the best autumn scence in north China.

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/78d5c541...212w0ptqc0.jpg

HSR and Shenyang-Dandong highway

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/78d5c541...212w0ptk0v.jpg
Absolutely gorgeous!
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Old October 9th, 2014, 05:21 AM   #8645
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you can tell from the pictures that now is the construction of track,and the timetable is Aug 2015.for the Pyongyang,i think,impossile.

Impossible is a bit of an overstatement.

China needs NK around to point out someone crazier than they are, and as a buffer to SK and what they perceive as the USA on the Korean Peninsula. So NK is not going away, most nuclear states do not.

What may happen is that NK reforms a little and China uses it as a test case for infrastructure.

Send 1 million workers to NK.
""Build roads, HSR, apartments and bridges.""
Where?
""Everywhere. Go.""

This would occupy surplus Chinese labour, bring NK up to SK standards, make China look good and keep NK as a buffer state.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 05:23 AM   #8646
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28th-30th of this month.
Buy the tickets today. 20 days in advance is possible.

Today.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #8647
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The images are dead?
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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:25 AM   #8648
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Buy the tickets today. 20 days in advance is possible.

Today.
I'll be there on the 25th. Hence my question.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:45 AM   #8649
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I really hope one day CRH connects to the Seoul metropolitan area and with the South Korean HSR (incompatibility aside). This should be an immediate success considering the massive amount of business and tourism done between the two. Plus, travel time between the two capital could potentially be lower than 5 hrs which is quite good.
However, obviously it must bypass North Korea and its just too apparent that it won't work:

1. Not much travelers (esp. from SK) goes to NK + Not much domestic travelers in NK -> Not beneficial to the NK.

2. The never-will-resolve situation between N and SK -> NK would like to stay unfriendly just to spark conflict here and there.

3. Passengers will definitely dread to go through NK (Most likely totally shielded from view too)

4. All three parties are concerned about the military advantage it brings (eg. NK can henceforth move thousands of troops within hours across their two defense lines.

NK will definitely make their best out of the situation since they are guarding the gate, even if an agreement is reached, they dominate the project and have total control between the connections, threatening China and SK.

Not until the Korean peninsula issue resolves, which might be out of our lifetimes.

My guess is that China has already given up, given Dandong-Dalian HSR is only 250km/h. China always keeps its connection to the other countries (Urumqi line to Europe, Kunming line to SE Asia) at top-notch speed.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #8650
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What may happen is that NK reforms a little and China uses it as a test case for infrastructure.

Send 1 million workers to NK.
""Build roads, HSR, apartments and bridges.""
Where?
""Everywhere. Go.""

This would occupy surplus Chinese labour,
Is any surplus North Korean labour now earning hard currency for North Korea by building infrastructure in China (and in the process learning how to do it)?
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bring NK up to SK standards,
That would be a bit expensive for mainland China. Hong Kong and Macau are up to SK standards, but Taiwan is not and neither is Shenzhen.

But even bringing North Korea up to standards of Laos or Vietnam would be a huge improvement!
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Old October 10th, 2014, 03:13 AM   #8651
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Impossible is a bit of an overstatement.

China needs NK around to point out someone crazier than they are, and as a buffer to SK and what they perceive as the USA on the Korean Peninsula. So NK is not going away, most nuclear states do not.

What may happen is that NK reforms a little and China uses it as a test case for infrastructure.

Send 1 million workers to NK.
""Build roads, HSR, apartments and bridges.""
Where?
""Everywhere. Go.""

This would occupy surplus Chinese labour, bring NK up to SK standards, make China look good and keep NK as a buffer state.
I don't think so. If North Korean reforms, 90% of its army will be made unemployed. Every one of them must be kept busy during the period of maximum instability.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #8652
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If North Korea become significantly less repressive (let's say to Chinese levels) huge number of it's citizens will vote with their feet and move to the South. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think South Korean law states that these people are entitled to South Korean citizenship if they can get there. China could absorb another 10 million people easily, for South Korea it will be disastrous economically.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #8653
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So NK is not going away, most nuclear states do not.
Soviet Union did and very quickly to the surprise of most observers.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #8654
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Latest statistic for HSR in China:

11,800km in operate,11,000 in construction.
totally 500 million passengers from Jan to June.increase by 33.7%.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #8655
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Latest statistic for HSR in China:

11,800km in operate,11,000 in construction.
For comparison, how much slow speed railway is now in construction in China?
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Old October 12th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #8656
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Latest statistic for HSR in China:

11,800km in operate,11,000 in construction.
totally 500 million passengers from Jan to June.increase by 33.7%.
To clarify, you're talking about 350km/h lines only or 350 and 250km/h?

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Old October 12th, 2014, 02:04 AM   #8657
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To clarify, you're talking about 350km/h lines only or 350 and 250km/h?
both of them.
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Old October 12th, 2014, 01:02 PM   #8658
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To clarify, you're talking about 350km/h lines only or 350 and 250km/h?

Your statistics do not know, but by my count updated at 16/09/2014 Nanchang-Changsha. New lines:

7,329 km to 300 km/h or more, maximum commercial speed: 300 km/h.
4,573 km to 200/250 km/h, maximum commercial speed: 200 km/h.

They are the same UIC stats, just not updated since last year and have some wrong data.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #8659
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Nice numbers.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 11:31 AM   #8660
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Test runs have completed in Xinjiang section,which will officially open in October 2014.
There are two weeks left of the month.

On which specific day shall the Silk High Speed Railroad open?
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