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Old November 22nd, 2014, 06:10 PM   #8781
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Not really that confusing I mean Japan and South Korea does it too with romaji and romaja foreigners gets by fine with it.
Using pinyin, romaji and romaja is perfectly fine as long as they are consistent with the city name and do not concatenate with other words. BTW, Japanese railway station naming isn't any less confusing either.

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I thought it would be easier for foreigners when asking locals for directions to the station.
Considering Mandarin is a tonal language it isn't easy at all to ask for directions to the station even with the pinyin. Best way would be using a map and body languages when you ask.
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 07:12 PM   #8782
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Which is another reason for always using accents/tone marks in Pinyin. In this case the sign isn't Pinyin, but English "Wulumuqinan Railway Station", instead of "Wūlǔmqnn zhn". For that reason "Urumqi South Railway Station" might have been the better (English) sign.

I would prefer a consistent Pinyin transcription rather than the more common mix of Pinyin and English on signs. That of course becomes more difficult if the original name isn't Standard Chinese (Mandarin). Speaking of which, is the name on top in Uyghur language or an Arabic-like transcription of the Chinese name?
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 11:46 AM   #8783
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Using pinyin, romaji and romaja is perfectly fine as long as they are consistent with the city name and do not concatenate with other words. BTW, Japanese railway station naming isn't any less confusing either.


Considering Mandarin is a tonal language it isn't easy at all to ask for directions to the station even with the pinyin. Best way would be using a map and body languages when you ask.
Just copy the name of the destination in Chinese onto your phone or whatever device your are using. Better still use a route finder or other apps. Download and install them on your mobile if need be. Wechat app might be useful for pin pointing your location and the location of your destination.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 03:08 PM   #8784
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When in December Nanchang-Hangzhou high speed railway shall open, what shall be the trip time and ticket price Shenzhen-Shanghai via Changsha?
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Will there be any G services between Shenzhen and Shanghai via the same new route?
The official timetable has still not been published, but according to the provisional schedule (subject to approval), there will be 4x daily G trains from Guangzhou South to Shanghai Hongqiao via Changsha South. The fastest train will stop only at Changsha South, Nanchang West and Hangzhou East and complete the journey in 6 hr, 51 min. It looks like there will be no through trains from Shenzhen to Shanghai via Changsha initially, although this may change if the folks in Shenzhen complain enough!

The latest update for the Guiyang-Guangzhou and Nanning-Guangzhou lines is that both are still on track for opening by the end of this year.

Provisionally, there will be 16x daily 'D' trains between Guangzhou and Nanning, with 10 ending at Nanning East, 2 continuing to Nanning Station and 4 continuing down the Guangxi coastal railway to Beihai. Additionally there will be 2x daily Guangzhou South-Liuzhou trains, not via Nanning. Initially, it looks like no trains will operate through to/from Shenzhen North to Nanning either.

For the Guangzhou-Guiyang line, there will be 10x daily trains from Guangzhou South-Guiyang North via Guilin West, and a further 10x daily trains from Guangzhou South-Guilin North, 3 of which operate through to/from Shenzhen North.

According to a spokesman, it is expected that a small number of trains will be added from Shenzhen to Guiyang and Nanning in the future, after traffic patterns have been analysed. The provisional schedule is a little disappointing for Shenzhen with very few through trains to the new lines. For Guangzhou South, it is good news, with over 50 additional daily departures.

The Changsha South-Huaihua South section of line should also open in this timetable period, with Huaihua South-Guiyang North following later in May 2015.

Also, all services on the Guangzhou-Zhuhai/Jiangmen line and all EMU services on the Guangshen Railway are expected to be changed to C trains.

All of the above is subject to change until confirmation in the next week or so.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 04:10 PM   #8785
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Thanks for that. Really informative. Really strange about lack of G services between Shenzhen and Shanghai though. Perhaps even unacceptable I would say.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 05:59 PM   #8786
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The official timetable has still not been published, but according to the provisional schedule (subject to approval), there will be 4x daily G trains from Guangzhou South to Shanghai Hongqiao via Changsha South. The fastest train will stop only at Changsha South, Nanchang West and Hangzhou East and complete the journey in 6 hr, 51 min. It looks like there will be no through trains from Shenzhen to Shanghai via Changsha initially,
As of the existing schedule:

Guangzhou South-Beijing 5 G trains daily
fastest G66, 8:00
from Shenzhen North 2 G trains daily
price from Guangzhou second class 862 yuan

Guangzhou South-Taiyuan 1 G train, G682, not from Shenzhen
price second class 853 yuan

Guangzhou South-Shijiazhuang 7 G trains daily
fastest G66, 6:50, stopping at Changsha South, Wuhan and Zhengzhou East
from Shenzhen North 3 G trains daily
price from Guangzhou second class 785 yuan 5 jiao

Guangzhou South-Xian 5 G trains daily
fastest G836, 9:09
from Shenzhen North 2 G trains daily
price from Guangzhou second class 813 yuan 5 jiao

Guangzhou South-Nanchang West 4 G trains daily
fastest G638, 4:12
from Shenzhen North 2 G trains daily
price from Guangzhou second class 472 yuan

Also, now that Huaihua South-Guiyang South has an opening date (May 2015), is anything known about Shenzhen North-Futian high speed railway?
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Old November 24th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #8787
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is anything known about Shenzhen North-Futian high speed railway?
Unfortunately, no further information. I suspect the lack of news means that it is unlikely to open at the end of the year - early 2015 is more likely IMO.

The opening HSR schedule for Guiyang has now been approved and finalised. There will be 16x trains per day to begin with, including:

8x Guiyang North-Guangzhou South
2x Guiyang-Guangzhou South
2x Guiyang North-Nanning East via Guilin, Liuzhou [via Nanning-Hengyang HSR]
1x Guiyang North-Guilin North
1x Guiyang-Guilin North
1x Guiyang North-Duyun East
1x Guiyang-Duyun East

These do not include Guangzhou-Guilin trips, which do not serve Guiyang. I will post the full timetable after the Guangzhou-Guilin trips are confirmed.

All of the above trains will be D trains operated by CRH2A. The fastest trip will be 4hr, 52 min from Guiyang North to Guangzhou South (D2809), including a 20 min stop at Guilin North. This train stops only at Guiyang, Guilin North, Zhaoqing East and Guangzhou South.

The line is designed for 300+ km/h operation and test trains have successfully operated at this speed. However, the initial operating speed will be 200 km/h. In the future, this is expected to be increased with the introduction of CRH380 series trains to the line.

I guess Guilin West station (on the main line) will not open on schedule because all trains are now listed as serving Guilin North only (with a 20 min stop!), which means they will have to leave the main line and probably reverse out again, accounting for the longer stoppage.

This will be the first HSR service to Guizhou province. Over the next few years, Guiyang will become a major HSR hub at the junction of 5 main lines (Guangzhou, Changsha, Kunming, Chengdu, Chongqing and Nanning). Accordingly, the new Guiyang North Station is a very large facility with over 30 HSR platforms.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #8788
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Another bad news for 10th of December: High Speed South Manchuria Railway shall be slowed down again.
At present, the fastest trains Dalian-Harbin are G47 and G49, equally taking 3:30 with 2 stops (Shenyang and Changchun).
These shall vanish from 10th of December, 2014, after which the fastest train shall be D1301 taking 5:22.

What is an improvement is that in autumn 2013, Manchurian railway was slowed down on 1st of December, but in 2014, G trains continue till 9th of December, inclusive.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #8789
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It will be this year's cold starts later
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Old November 26th, 2014, 01:34 PM   #8790
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China approves more railway projects
English.news.cn 2014-11-26 15:50:28 More
BEIJING, Nov. 26 (Xinhua) -- China has approved construction of four railway lines worth 66.24 billion yuan (10.79 billion U.S. dollars) as the government steps up infrastructure investment to boost growth.

It is the third time this month that China approved new railway projects.

The new railway lines will run in northeastern Jilin Province, southwestern Chongqing, Shaanxi Province and Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said in a statement on its website (www.ndrc.gov.cn).

By the end of October, the country had invested 590 billion yuan in railway projects, or 74 percent of the total earmarked for railways this year, Fei Zhirong, head of NDRC's infrastructure bureau, said at a press conference on Wednesday.

Fei said the 800 billion yuan railway investment target for this year will be achieved.

China plans to operate 7,000 kilometers of new railway lines this year. However, only about 32 percent was in use as of October, he said.

The country stepped up its pace of infrastructure investment in recent months to bolster the cooling economy, which is pressured by a slowdown in the manufacturing sector and an ongoing property downturn.

China's economy grew at its slowest pace since the global financial crisis in the third quarter and is likely to register its weakest annual growth rate in more than 10 years.

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Old November 26th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #8791
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The opening HSR schedule for Guiyang has now been approved and finalised. There will be 16x trains per day to begin with, including:

8x Guiyang North-Guangzhou South
2x Guiyang-Guangzhou South
Thus 10 trains to Guangzhou, 6 elsewhere.
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All of the above trains will be D trains operated by CRH2A. The fastest trip will be 4hr, 52 min from Guiyang North to Guangzhou South (D2809), including a 20 min stop at Guilin North. This train stops only at Guiyang, Guilin North, Zhaoqing East and Guangzhou South.
At present, there are 5x daily trains Guiyang-Guangzhou, all of them K.
The fastest trip is 19:55 (K912), the longest stop is 13 minutes in Hengyang. There are 10 stops between Guiyang and Guangzhou. Hard seat costs 189 yuan 5 jiao, lower soft sleeper 586 yuan 5 jiao.

What does a second class ticket Guiyang-Guangzhou on D2809 cost?
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This will be the first HSR service to Guizhou province. Over the next few years, Guiyang will become a major HSR hub at the junction of 5 main lines (Guangzhou, Changsha, Kunming, Chengdu, Chongqing and Nanning).
How is this possible??
  1. Guangzhou - December 2014
  2. Changsha - May 2015
  3. Kunming - ?
  4. Chengdu - ?
  5. Chongqing - ?
  6. Nanning -?
I count 6, not 5.
Also, what are the opening dates of these other 4 lines?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #8792
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What does a second class ticket Guiyang-Guangzhou on D2809 cost?
The fares are not published yet; I will post again when they are known.

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How is this possible??
  1. Guangzhou - December 2014
  2. Changsha - May 2015
  3. Kunming - ?
  4. Chengdu - ?
  5. Chongqing - ?
  6. Nanning -?
I count 6, not 5.
Also, what are the opening dates of these other 4 lines?
Yes, I meant to say 6. However, the Nanning line will run parallel to the Guangzhou line between Guiyang North and Duyun East, and has not yet commenced construction.

Guiyang-Kunming is part of the Shanghai-Kunming PDL HSR corridor. It commenced construction in September 2010 and is expected to partly open in December 2015, although the whole line may only open in mid-2016.

Guiyang-Chongqing is a 200 km/h mixed-use HSR project, expected to open in October 2017.

Guiyang-Chengdu is a PDL extension of the Guangzhou-Guiyang line. It commenced construction in December 2013 and the expected opening date is December 2019. The long construction time is due to the difficult terrain.

The Nanning-Guiyang line has not yet started construction. It will run parallel to the Guangzhou-Guiyang line between Guiyang North and Duyun East, then via Hechi to Nanning. This will be a 300 km/h PDL also. It is planned to commence construction in mid-2015 and open in 2019, probably December.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #8793
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What do you mean exactly when you said the Guiyang to Kunming HSR might partially open by December 2015?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #8794
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The new railway lines will run in northeastern Jilin Province, southwestern Chongqing, Shaanxi Province and Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said in a statement on its website (www.ndrc.gov.cn).
So what are the specific endpoints?
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Old November 27th, 2014, 03:02 PM   #8795
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What do you mean exactly when you said the Guiyang to Kunming HSR might partially open by December 2015?
I mean a limited service on part of the line, specifically the Guizhou section. The last update I received was that most work on the Guizhou section, including the key Beipanjiang bridge, is expected to be completed by the end of 2015. However, other sections will probably only finish in early to mid-2016. Therefore the target for the whole line to enter service is mid-2016, although there may be a limited service on the Guizhou section before then. This info was current in June 2014, but may change.

Here is the opening timetable for Guangzhou South - Guiyang line. The opening date will likely be rolled forward to 26th December 2014:

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For this line, Chengdu railway bureau will provide 8x units, Nanning bureau will provide 2x units and Guangzhou bureau will provide 5x units. This does not include the G trips to/from Shenzhen, which will be operated by Guangzhou bureau CRH3C units, and interworked with Guangzhou-Shenzhen operations. The operating diagrams are below:

Chengdu bureau – 9x EMU / 24 trips
501/CRH2A
D3551 06:39 Guiyang North 09:08 Guilin North
D3552 09:30 Guilin North 11:50 Guiyang
D2809 12:10 Guiyang 17:02 Guangzhou South
D2818 18:00 Guangzhou South 22:58 Guiyang North

502/CRH2A
D2801 07:13 Guiyang North 12:54 Guangzhou South
D2810 13:30 Guangzhou South 18:39 Guiyang
D3553 19:00 Guiyang 21:04 Guilin North
D3554 21:25 Guilin North 23:51 Guiyang North

503/CRH2A
D2803 07:59 Guiyang North 13:30 Guangzhou South
D2812 14:00 Guangzhou South 19:23 Guiyang
D5403 19:45 Guiyang 20:40 Duyun East
D5404 21:00 Duyun East 22:02 Guiyang North

504/CRH2A
D5401 08:13 Guiyang North 09:24 Duyun East
D5402 09:40 Duyun East 10:27 Guiyang
D2807 10:50 Guiyang 16:31 Guangzhou South
D2816 16:55 Guangzhou South 22:47 Guiyang North

505/CRH2A
D3521 08:34 Guiyang North 14:02 Nanning East
D3524 14:45 Nanning East 20:11 Guiyang North

506/CRH2A
D2805 09:00 Guiyang North 14:47 Guangzhou South
D2814 15:10 Guangzhou South 21:01 Guiyang North

507/CRH2A
D2811 12:14 Guiyang North 17:50 Guangzhou South
D2820 18:20 Guangzhou South 23:31 Guiyang North

508/CRH2A
D2817 17:10 Guiyang North 22:56 Guangzhou South

509/CRH2A
D2802 07:00 Guangzhou South 12:29 Guiyang North

Nanning bureau – 2x EMU / 6 trips
701/CRH2A
D3522 07:50 Nanning East 13:19 Guiyang North
D3523 13:38 Guiyang North 19:15 Nanning East

702/CRH2A
D2831 08:00 Guilin North 10:42 Guangzhou South
D2836 11:05 Guangzhou South 13:44 Guilin North
D2839 14:05 Guilin North 16:55 Guangzhou South
D2842 17:15 Guangzhou South 20:06 Guilin North

Guangzhou bureau – 5x EMU / 16 trips
601
D2804 07:35 Guangzhou South 12:54 Guiyang North
D2813 13:20 Guiyang North 19:06 Guangzhou South
D2844 20:00 Guangzhou South 22:57 Guilin North

602
D2833 08:30 Guilin North 11:16 Guangzhou South
D2808 11:35 Guangzhou South 17:12 Guiyang North
D2819 17:38 Guiyang North 23:11 Guangzhou South

603
D2832 08:45 Guangzhou South 11:30 Guilin North
D2835 11:50 Guilin North 15:21 Guangzhou South
D2838 15:50 Guangzhou South 18:41 Guilin North
D2841 19:15 Guilin North 22:02 Guangzhou South

604
D2806 09:30 Guangzhou South 15:17 Guiyang North
D2815 15:49 Guiyang North 21:10 Guangzhou South

605
D2834 10:00 Guangzhou South 12:40 Guilin North
D2837 13:10 Guilin North 16:02 Guangzhou South
D2840 16:25 Guangzhou South 19:22 Guilin North
D2843 19:45 Guilin North 22:38 Guangzhou South
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Old November 30th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #8796
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Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR,November 29th 2014

Guiyang-Guangzhou high speed rail is expected to open on December 26th,2014.

It's the longest high speed railway to cross the karst mountainous area in South&South-west China.
There're 238 tunnels and 504 bridges along this line.

total length:857 km
designed speed:300 km/h
construction:2008~2014

1.A CRH2 test run in Rongjiang,Guizhou Province.


2.A bridge in Guilin,Guangxi


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Old November 30th, 2014, 10:36 AM   #8797
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Is the length of the railway Hangzhou-Nanchang known? It should open in ten days....
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Old November 30th, 2014, 12:56 PM   #8798
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591 km. Designed speed: 300 km/h.
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591 km. Designed speed: 300 km/h.
With the 159 km section Hangzhou East - Shanghai Hongqiao, does that total to 750 km distance Nanchang West-Shanghai Hongqiao?
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Old November 30th, 2014, 04:56 PM   #8800
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NDRC is, as many suspected, ''filling in'' many of the gaps in the national map in the Eastern third of the country.

Inner Mongolia has lines to connect to Beijing, Datong and perhaps SW to Lanzhou
Chongqing has yet another line to the SE
Xian has a regional line in the direction of Chongqing
Zhengzhou has a line to the SW to connect with the Changsha-CQ line and perhaps the another line to Xian

Basically they are going to fill in the entire grid with boxs and then ''X'' braces in the boxes.
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