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Old December 16th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #881
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Station location is really something that needs to be much more carefully considered IMHO.

The only way railways will successfully compete with the car and aviation is by maximising accessibility. There are at least two sides to accessibility - location and size. A station needs to be on the edge of the city centre at the furthest otherwise access journeys become a pain; when a station is too big it becomes too cumbersome for passengers to negociate.

China is a fast developing country with fast growing cities. One needs to be clear how large the city centre and the wider urban area will grow to become because that has clear implications on distribution of mainline stations - whether there needs to be just one station (for a small- to medium-sized city) or 2 or 3 termini (for larger cities).

City centre locations are preferable for good reasons. Business travel is by far the most profitable, and time is of the essence for business travellers, so the railway station needs to be walking distance from the CBD (small and medium-sized cities) or no more than 5 metro stops (10 minutes) away from the core locations (larger cities). Otherwise there's no significant advantage over car or aviation. Developing new business districts around the (currently) remote station site is much more easily said than done. Existing infrastructure is mono-centric around the old centre (for good reasons too), new businesses would much prefer to chose locations close to the centre to share the infrastructure (transport, market, client links etc). For leisure travelling, edge-of-city locations are still less accessible because the city infrastructure is not centred on it, meaning most journeys would be indirect and require more changes. Or if the city centre stops growing relative to other areas, it will become derelict, with many social and cultural implications.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #882
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City centre locations are preferable for good reasons. Business travel is by far the most profitable, and time is of the essence for business travellers, so the railway station needs to be walking distance from the CBD (small and medium-sized cities) or no more than 5 metro stops (10 minutes) away from the core locations (larger cities). Otherwise there's no significant advantage over car or aviation.
To the contrary. Train is cheaper and more comfortable than car or plane even if the station is as far away as an airport would be.

10 minuts from core? Pudong is 7,5 minutes and 1 maglev stop away from Longyang Road.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #883
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To the contrary. Train is cheaper and more comfortable than car or plane even if the station is as far away as an airport would be.
But the advantage is severely reduced.

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10 minuts from core? Pudong is 7,5 minutes and 1 maglev stop away from Longyang Road.
Longyang Road is still some distance away from Lujiazui, the closest business district. You are either looking at a 2-mode access journey or a 30-minute journey just using Line 2. In any case most cities do not have a 'Station Express' (even Hongqiao Hub doesn't).
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Old December 18th, 2009, 11:56 PM   #884
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武汉火车站突发火灾售票厅冷却塔被烧毁

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2009-12-18/224919291328.shtml

There's been a fire at the Wuhan HSR station. The a/c has been destroyed, with only 8 days before opening.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 09:33 AM   #885
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^ I hope its nothing serious.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 04:51 AM   #886
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Wuhan-Guangzhou CRH Opened Today.

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Old December 26th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #887
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AWESOME pictures. Thanks for sharing..
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Old December 26th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #888
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woohoo

Can't wait til the Wuhan - Beijing section is complete, then I can take the fast train from GZ to BJ!!
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Old December 26th, 2009, 07:39 AM   #889
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The ticket is too expensive. Ministry of Railways is criticized by public opinion.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 08:35 AM   #890
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Changsha South Railway Station Go Into Service

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Old December 26th, 2009, 09:49 AM   #891
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Old December 26th, 2009, 10:01 AM   #892
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Old December 26th, 2009, 01:57 PM   #893
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The ticket is too expensive. Ministry of Railways is criticized by public opinion.
Do people buy tickets? On the pictures the train looks mostly full, not near empty because of high prices (like Transrapid sometimes?).
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Old December 26th, 2009, 04:52 PM   #894
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Is this line goes via Changsha?

Last time when I traveled from Guangzhou Baiyun AP to Changsha by flight it took 1hr 30min and fare was around 800CNY.

If this high speed train goes via Changsha, can any one tell about travel time and fare!
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Old December 26th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #895
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The ticket is too expensive. Ministry of Railways is criticized by public opinion.
I thougt as a socialist country, the ride were free...



Just kidding...
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Old December 26th, 2009, 09:10 PM   #896
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Ooh the trains look pretty good
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Old December 26th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #897
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Great photos Hunan! Though many passengers and journalists reported that it's near impossible to make phone calls or access the internet whilst the train is travelling.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 10:40 PM   #898
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The ticket is too expensive. Ministry of Railways is criticized by public opinion.
Well, they have to charge a surplus for running the trains at those speeds. The huge increase in energy consumption alone warrant the premium ticket price. Then of cause the reduced service life and the higher maintenance costs will make cheap tickets impossible.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #899
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Old December 27th, 2009, 01:08 AM   #900
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Chinese trains?
THese are based in the Shinkansen's E2-1000 series:


Others are based in the ICE 3 and....
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