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Old March 3rd, 2015, 06:20 PM   #9061
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With high speed rail network, it is planned that "travel time to Beijing" will be decreased significantly. There was a map with circles centered around Beijing with targeted travel times. It was shared in this thread, too. So, what I am trying to say, lines between Beijing and other significant cities tend to be 350km/h standard. I guess we just have to wait and see. There are news articles saying different speeds for the line.
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Old March 3rd, 2015, 06:34 PM   #9062
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With high speed rail network, it is planned that "travel time to Beijing" will be decreased significantly. There was a map with circles centered around Beijing with targeted travel times. It was shared in this thread, too. So, what I am trying to say, lines between Beijing and other significant cities tend to be 350km/h standard.
Could somebody compile a map of "travel time to Shanghai", too?

Hangzhou-Shanghai - 0:45, G86
Nanchang-Shanghai - 3:03, G86
Fuzhou-Shanghai - 6:16, D3208
Changsha-Shanghai - 4:26, G86
Shenzhen-Shanghai - 11:08, D908 (overnight!)
Guangzhou-Shanghai - 6:50, G86
Nanning-Shanghai - 11:59, G1502
Guiyang-Shanghai - 1:01:43, K80
Haikou-Shanghai - 1:09:19, K512
Kunming-Shanghai - 1:09:40, K80
Nanjing-Shanghai - 1:07, G1 and others
Hefei-Shanghai - 2:40, G9338
Wuhan-Shanghai - 4:52, G600
Chongqing-Shanghai - 12:50, D638 and D2208
Chengdu-Shanghai - 14:55, D638
Zhengzhou-Shanghai - 6:43, D294
Xian-Shanghai - 10:56, D306 (overnight!)
Lanzhou-Shanghai - 22:33, Z166
Xining-Shanghai - 1:01:25, Z166
Lhasa-Shanghai - 2:01:03, Z166
Urumqi-Shanghai - 1:21:19, T206
Shijiazhuang-Shanghai - 11:16, Z198
Taiyuan-Shanghai - 13:51, Z198
Yinchuan-Shanghai - 1:03:29, K1331
Jinan-Shanghai - 3:21, G13 and G15
Tianjin-Shanghai - 4:59, G115
Beijing-Shanghai - 4:48, G1 and G3
Hohhot-Shanghai - 21:20, Z284
Shenyang-Shanghai 9:27, G1256
Changchun-Shanghai 11:21, G1256
Harbin-Shanghai 13:15, G1202

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Old March 3rd, 2015, 06:52 PM   #9063
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From Wuhan to Nanjing by CRH
How much price (First Class and Second Class)??
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Old March 3rd, 2015, 06:59 PM   #9064
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From Wuhan to Nanjing by CRH
How much price (First Class and Second Class)??
Second Class 165 yuan 5 jiao
First Class 197 yuan 5 jiao
Business Class 494 yuan
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Old March 3rd, 2015, 08:43 PM   #9065
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Old March 4th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #9066
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I share your scepticism. Wikipedia actually says Hefei-Fuzhou is a 250 km/h line, with 200 km/h operation planned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hefei%E...-Speed_Railway
Interesting, Baike's page; 合福客运专线 lists the top speed as 350kph.

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Old March 4th, 2015, 07:01 AM   #9067
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Any particular reason why this one is rated for 350kph but the Hangzhou-Fuzhou-Shenzhen railway is rated at 250kph (except for the tiny Hangzhou to Ningbo part)? Both are crossing new terrains, and I would have guessed crossing the mountains was more difficult that hugging the coast. I've taken the latter and it did not seem terribly mountainous.
I'm sure plenty of county-level communities are being joined up by the new railways.
The coastal railway has quite a lot of stations.
On the section Fuzhou-Shanghai, my count is:
  1. Mawei, Mawei District
  2. Lianjiang, Lianjiang County-Shanghai - 5:56, D3208
  3. Luoyuan, Luoyuan County-Shanghai - 6:04, D3104
  4. Ningde, Jiaocheng District
  5. Fuan, there is a Fuan country level city
  6. Xiapu, Xiapu County-Shanghai - 5:09, D3208
  7. Taimushan, Fuding county level city
  8. Fuding, Fuding county level city
  9. Cangnan, there is a Cangnan County-Shanghai - 4:23, G7516
  10. Pingyang/Aojiang?, there is a Pingyang County-Shanghai - 4:23, G7588
  11. Ruian, there is a Ruian county level city
  12. Wenzhou South, Ouhai District
  13. Yongjia?, there is a Yongjia County, but no service found
  14. Yueqing, Yueqing county level city
  15. Shengfang, no data
  16. Yandangshan, no data
  17. Wenling, there is a Wenling county level city
  18. Taizhou, Huangyan District
  19. Linhai, there is a Linhai county level city
  20. Sanmen, apparently Sanmen County-Shanghai - 2:57, G7596
  21. Ninghai, there is a Ninghai County -Shanghai - 2:21, G7504
  22. Fenghua, there is a Fenghua county level city
  23. Yunlong?
  24. Ningbo East, Jiangdong District
  25. Ningbo, Haishu District
  26. Zhuangqiao, no data
  27. Yuyao North, no data
  28. Shangyu North, there is a Shangyu District
  29. Shaoxing North, no data
  30. Hangzhou East, Jianggan District
  31. Yuhang, Yuhang District
  32. Haining West, Haining county-level city
  33. Tongxiang, Tongxiang county-level city
  34. Jiaxing South, no data
  35. Jiashan South, Jiashan County-Shanghai - 0:23, G7302 and others
  36. Jinshan North, Jinshan District
  37. Songjiang South, Songjiang District

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Old March 6th, 2015, 02:09 PM   #9068
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Costal HSRs all profitable

http://news.chinaso.com/detail/20150...8783661_1.html

The news listed the HSR lines that saw profits last year:

Beijing - Tianjin, yoy growth 12%
Beijing - Shanghai, yoy growth 26%
Shanghai - Nanjing, yoy growth 12%
Shanghai - Hangzhou, yoy growth 32%
Hangzhou - Shenzhen, yoy growth 69%
Shenzhen - Guangzhou, yoy growth 48%

Overall the HSR network carried 908million passenger trips, a 35.1% increase. The Beijing - Tianjin, pearl river delta and yangtze river delta HSRs are all close to full capacity. It is mentioned that, if a 100 pairs of trains run on a given HSR line, the line is basically at its full capacity. Currently there are 108 pairs run on Beijing - Tianjin line, BJ - SH 113 pairs, BJ - GZ 126 pairs (in some sections), SH - HZ 108 pairs, all 'over the capacity'.
Therefore it is vital to plan future constructions, and some key regions will plan the 2nd, or even 3rd HSR lines.
Number of passengers taking HSR has grown from 4.8% in 2007 to 38.5% in 2014.
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So it's the # of trains run on a line that is taken into consideration when they discuss "full capacity". What about # of passengers carried on the trains? If they run a 100 pairs of trains at 70% full each train, why not run 70 pairs of trains each at 100% full?
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Old March 6th, 2015, 02:36 PM   #9069
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http://news.chinaso.com/detail/20150...8783661_1.html

The news listed the HSR lines that saw profits last year:

Beijing - Tianjin, yoy growth 12%
Beijing - Shanghai, yoy growth 26%
Shanghai - Nanjing, yoy growth 12%
Shanghai - Hangzhou, yoy growth 32%
Hangzhou - Shenzhen, yoy growth 69%
Shenzhen - Guangzhou, yoy growth 48%

Overall the HSR network carried 908million passenger trips, a 35.1% increase. The Beijing - Tianjin, pearl river delta and yangtze river delta HSRs are all close to full capacity. It is mentioned that, if a 100 pairs of trains run on a given HSR line, the line is basically at its full capacity. Currently there are 108 pairs run on Beijing - Tianjin line, BJ - SH 113 pairs, BJ - GZ 126 pairs (in some sections), SH - HZ 108 pairs, all 'over the capacity'.
Therefore it is vital to plan future constructions, and some key regions will plan the 2nd, or even 3rd HSR lines.
Number of passengers taking HSR has grown from 4.8% in 2007 to 38.5% in 2014.
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So it's the # of trains run on a line that is taken into consideration when they discuss "full capacity". What about # of passengers carried on the trains? If they run a 100 pairs of trains at 70% full each train, why not run 70 pairs of trains each at 100% full?
Besides the number of trains we should keep in mind that some trains are made of 8 cars while others have 16. There probably is some capacity still.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 04:25 PM   #9070
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Number of passengers taking HSR has grown from 4.8% in 2007 to 38.5% in 2014.
4.8% of what? Total population? All train travel?
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Old March 6th, 2015, 04:59 PM   #9071
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So it's the # of trains run on a line that is taken into consideration when they discuss "full capacity". What about # of passengers carried on the trains? If they run a 100 pairs of trains at 70% full each train, why not run 70 pairs of trains each at 100% full?
Because filling these last 30 % would create a lot of problems:
  1. 20 % seats are unwanted middle seats - the last of 5. People value these less, so if all they can get for the same price is a middle seat, many although not all will fly or not travel.
  2. The trains will NOT be all equally 70 % full. Some will be over 70 %, some under. If you cancel trains, the load of the most wanted trains will get closer to 100 %
  3. The less wanted trains are also serving as overflow for the people who find their preferred trains full. If you cancel the emptier trains, then when the preferred trains get full, people looking for second choice trains will find that these have been cancelled or are also full.

Now listing the stations of Beijing-Shanghai railway:
  1. Beijing South, Fengtai District
  2. Langfang, Guangyang District
  3. Tianjin South, Xiping District
  4. Cangzhou West, Yunhe District
  5. Dezhou East, Decheng District
  6. Jinan West, Huaiyin District
  7. Taian, Taishan District
  8. Qufu East, Qufu county level city
  9. Tengzhou East, Tengzhou county level city
  10. Zaozhuang, no data, but only Districts exist
  11. Xuzhou East, Gulou District
  12. Suzhou East, Yongqiao District
  13. Bengbu South, Longzihu District
  14. Dingyuan, Dingyuan County
  15. Chuzhou, Langya District
  16. Nanjing South, Yuhuatai District
  17. Zhenjiang South, Jingkou District
  18. Danyang North, Danyang county level city
  19. Changzhou North, Tianning District
  20. Wuxi East, Xishan District
  21. Suzhou North, Xiangcheng District
  22. Kunshan South, Kunshan county level city
Now consider how practical it is to serve county.
Municipalities and provincial capitals to Shanghai are as follows:
  1. Beijing South-Shanghai: fastest 4:48, G1 and G3; 38 G trains daily; departures 7:00 to 17:50, arrivals 12:37 to 23:28; longest gap in departures 0:54, 13:06 to 14:00
  2. Tianjin South-Shanghai: fastest 4:59, G115; 11 G trains daily, departures 8:19 to 17:58, arrivals 13:21 to 23:08; longest gap in departures 2:24, 13:42 to 16:06
  3. Jinan West-Shanghai: fastest 3:21, G13 and G15; 48 G trains daily, departures 7:26 to 19:37, arrivals 11:28 to 23:28; longest gap in departures 0:48, 7:52 to 8:40
  4. Nanjing South, fastest 1:07, G1 and others; 134 G and D trains daily, departures 3:00 to 23:34, arrivals 4:22 to 0:57; longest gap in departures 2:54, 3:00 to 5:54
But compare services from Dingyuan County:
  1. Dingyuan-Shanghai: fastest 1:50, G411; 6 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 11:11 to 22:04; longest gap in departures 3:28, 8:58 to 12:26
  2. Dingyuan-Kunshan South: fastest 2:15, D5431; 2 D trains daily, departures 8:34 and 19:04, arrivals 19:04 and 21:44
  3. Dingyuan-Suzhou North: fastest 1:22, G411; 6 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 10:35 to 21:30; longest gap in departures 3:28, 8:58 to 12:26
  4. Dingyuan-Wuxi East: fastest 1:32, G7291; 3 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 10:22 to 21:13; longest gap in departures 10:06, 8:58 to 19:04
  5. Dingyuan-Changzhou North: fastest 1:05, G111; 5 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 10:02 to 20:53; longest gap in departures 3:39, 12:26 to 16:05
  6. Dingyuan-Danyang North: fastest 0:58, G1227; 3 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 9:48 to 20:40; longest gap in departures 7:31, 8:34 to 16:05
  7. Dingyuan-Zhenjiang South: only D5431, 1:02, departs 8:34, arrives 9:36
  8. Dingyuan-Nanjing South: fastest 0:31, G111 and others; 7 G and D trains daily, departures 8:34 to 19:04, arrivals 9:14 to 20:11; longest gap in departures 3:28, 8:58 to 12:26
  9. Dingyuan-Chuzhou: fastest 0:18, G7291; 3 G and D trains daily, departures 8:58 to 19:04, arrivals 9:16 to 19:24; longest gap in departures 9:39, 8:58 to 18:37
  1. Dingyuan-Beijing South: fastest 3:39, G118; 2 G trains daily (?), departures 8:16 and 12:05, arrivals 12:07 and 15:44
  2. Dingyuan-Langfang: fastest 3:29, G108; 2 G and D trains daily, departures 9:55 and 12:24, arrivals 13:24 and 18:03
  3. Dingyuan-Tianjin South: fastest 3:09, G108; 2 G and D trains daily, departures 9:55 and 12:57, arrivals 13:04 and 18:32
  4. Dingyuan-Cangzhou West
  5. Dingyuan-Dezhou East
  6. Dingyuan-Jinan West
  7. Dingyuan-Taian
  8. Dingyuan-Qufu East
  9. Dingyuan-Tengzhou East
  10. Dingyuan-Zaozhuang
  11. Dingyuan-Xuzhou East
  12. Dingyuan-Suzhou East
  13. Dingyuan-Bengbu South

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Old March 6th, 2015, 04:59 PM   #9072
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4.8% of what? Total population? All train travel?
"the proportion of railway passenger traffic volume"





Another interesting stats is, 2014 brake the record by witnessing construction of 8427 km of new railways.
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"the proportion of railway passenger traffic volume"
Passenger count, or passenger-km?
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With high speed rail network, it is planned that "travel time to Beijing" will be decreased significantly. There was a map with circles centered around Beijing with targeted travel times. It was shared in this thread, too. So, what I am trying to say, lines between Beijing and other significant cities tend to be 350km/h standard. I guess we just have to wait and see. There are news articles saying different speeds for the line.
I found that map:



So, if this map is anything to go by, Beijing-Hefei is targeted to be around 7 hours which is very ambitious and doable only with 350km/h. The Beijing-Hefei part is already 350km/h standard due to being part of Beijing-Shanghai high speed rail.

And, apparently, the budget for it was around 110 billion yuan which sounds about right for 350km/h standard.
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I've seen this map or very similar before. I believe it's from before the general slowdown of Chinese HSR and indeed relies on 350 km/h operations.
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Adjust the speed back to 350km/h is not in the short term plan. The boss of CRC, Sheng Guangzu, recently said in an interview that 300km/h is 'appropriate for this stage of the development'.
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2015-03-06...0&r=h&rfunc=-1
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So, if this map is anything to go by, Beijing-Hefei is targeted to be around 7 hours which is very ambitious and doable only with 350km/h. The Beijing-Hefei part is already 350km/h standard due to being part of Beijing-Shanghai high speed rail.

And, apparently, the budget for it was around 110 billion yuan which sounds about right for 350km/h standard.
According to that map Beijing - Hefei is within the 4-hour circle.
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According to that map Beijing - Hefei is within the 4-hour circle.
I meant Beijing to Fuzhou.
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I've seen this map or very similar before. I believe it's from before the general slowdown of Chinese HSR and indeed relies on 350 km/h operations.
Yes, but that is not the point. I am speculating on Hefei-Fuzhou standard based on it.
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Hefei-Fuzhou is 350km standard and will be operating at 300km, I think we can be pretty sure about that.
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