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Old March 14th, 2015, 02:03 PM   #9121
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High speed trains in Guangxi,March 2015

Spring time in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region,Southern China.
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Old March 14th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #9122
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A picture is worth a thousand words
It's bit outdated, but giving you a basic idea.
It also has no words, just hieroglyphs.
About that "Lianhuaiyangzhen" - does it go to Zhenjiang?
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Old March 14th, 2015, 11:18 PM   #9123
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It also has no words, just hieroglyphs.
About that "Lianhuaiyangzhen" - does it go to Zhenjiang?
Yes.

And there's a wiki link of "Hu-Tong railway"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangha...antong_Railway
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Old March 15th, 2015, 03:30 AM   #9124
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I couldn't help myself going back to watch the video of two high speed trains running parallel again and again.

It's also got me thinking, all these videos are from Jing-Hu(Shanghai to Nanjing section) HSR against Hu-Ning Intercity Railway.
Are there any this kind of the events happening on other parallel running HSRs, like Jing-Guang(Wuhan to Xianning section) HSR against Wu-Xian Intercity Railway,
or Liu-Nan Passenger Railway and Nan-Guang HSRs (running parallel closely from Nanning East to Litang West)?
How about world wide, both trains running parallel at 250km/h+?

Here are the videos:
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Old March 15th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #9125
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A picture is worth a thousand words
It's bit outdated, but giving you a basic idea.
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It also has no words, just hieroglyphs.
About that "Lianhuaiyangzhen" - does it go to Zhenjiang?
  • The thick blue lines are "Keyun Zhuanxian" or "Passenger Dedicated Line"
  • The thin red lines are "Chengji Tielu" or Intercity Railways
  • The red-white lines are "Zaijian Chengji" or Intercity Lines Under Construction. I only see two; one from Shanghai to Nanjing, the other from Nanjing to Anqing. The former is already finished, the latter is called the "宁安城际铁路" or Ning'an Chengji Tielu which Baike says will be complete at the end of Sept. this year.
  • The red lines w/ blue dots are "Kuaisu Tielu" or High-Speed rail line.
Reading a little bit on Baike seems to indicate the PDL (or Gaotie) are any lines that go over 250kph (or maybe 300kph - I think the article contradicts itself) whereas the Kuaisu Tielu are lines that go at 200kph. As well, it appears that by the end of the year there should be 40,000km of the latter and 18,000km of the former.

You mentioned three lines;

Lianhuaiyangzhen = Lianyungang to Zhenjiang via Huai'an and Yangzhou. This line starts at the top middle at "连云港" which the terminus for two of the Kuaisu Tielu and follows the left one down to "镇江" which is almost in the middle, just right of the big circle for Nanjing/南京.

Lianyan = This is the right line from Lianyungang and goes to Yancheng "盐城" about an inch or two down.

Hutong = "Hu" or 沪 is a short name for Shanghai; this line goes from Shanghai "上海" to Nantong "南通" and appears as the short line on the right of the map. Baike has some nice diagrams and pictures at "胡同铁路"
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Old March 15th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #9126
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Guys, are there ever incidents of passengers being looted in trains in China? Or crime in railway journeys like unreserved passengers coming and occupying the seats?
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Old March 16th, 2015, 04:13 AM   #9127
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Yinchuan - Xi'an planned route

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Old March 16th, 2015, 04:39 AM   #9128
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Guys, are there ever incidents of passengers being looted in trains in China? Or crime in railway journeys like unreserved passengers coming and occupying the seats?
Of course.

I had a Canadian friend go out of the soft-sleeper cabin to use the washroom and when he came back, his passport and money was missing. No one in the sleeper (a grandmother and her daughter) claimed responsibility and said someone else came in but they didn't see.

Also had a local friend lose her laptop because someone slipped something in her drink and she had to be woken up at the station.

I don't see people "stealing" seats though. Usually someone will try and take a vacant seat, but if the ticket holder shows up they will usually move out of the way.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 06:54 AM   #9129
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Guys, are there ever incidents of passengers being looted in trains in China? Or crime in railway journeys like unreserved passengers coming and occupying the seats?
Haven't read any news about organized crimes on trains in China for 20 or 30 years. Thieving sometime happens but very rare. Generally it's quite safe traveling by train in China. The latest major incident AFAIK was someone with mental heath problem hurt three or four people with a fire extinguisher.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:21 AM   #9130
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  • The thick blue lines are "Keyun Zhuanxian" or "Passenger Dedicated Line"
  • The thin red lines are "Chengji Tielu" or Intercity Railways
  • The red-white lines are "Zaijian Chengji" or Intercity Lines Under Construction. I only see two; one from Shanghai to Nanjing, the other from Nanjing to Anqing. The former is already finished, the latter is called the "宁安城际铁路" or Ning'an Chengji Tielu which Baike says will be complete at the end of Sept. this year.
  • The red lines w/ blue dots are "Kuaisu Tielu" or High-Speed rail line.
Reading a little bit on Baike seems to indicate the PDL (or Gaotie) are any lines that go over 250kph (or maybe 300kph - I think the article contradicts itself)
Perhaps the Chinese are confused - how to call lines with top speed over 250 but below 300 kph?
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whereas the Kuaisu Tielu are lines that go at 200kph. As well, it appears that by the end of the year there should be 40,000km of the latter and 18,000km of the former.
End of 2015? Does it mean 58 000 km high speed railways combined?
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You mentioned three lines;

Lianhuaiyangzhen = Lianyungang to Zhenjiang via Huai'an and Yangzhou. This line starts at the top middle at "连云港" which the terminus for two of the Kuaisu Tielu and follows the left one down to "镇江" which is almost in the middle, just right of the big circle for Nanjing/南京.
But I note that the red dotted line does not end in Zhenjiang! It goes on to somewhere in southeast Anhui.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 12:20 PM   #9131
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"Business always demands more speed."

Are superfast trains speeding down the tracks?

At the time the UK was completing its first stretch of high-speed rail in 2007, China had barely left the station.

Nearly a decade on, Britain still has only that same 68-mile (109km) stretch of track, but China has built itself the longest high-speed network in the world.

At more than 12,000km (7,450 miles) in total, it is well over double the combined length of the European and Japanese networks combined.

So if you want to get a sense of what the future of rail travel might look like, China would seem to be the place to come.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31608679
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Old March 16th, 2015, 02:34 PM   #9132
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Are superfast trains speeding down the tracks?

At the time the UK was completing its first stretch of high-speed rail in 2007, China had barely left the station.

Nearly a decade on, Britain still has only that same 68-mile (109km) stretch of track, but China has built itself the longest high-speed network in the world.

At more than 12,000km (7,450 miles) in total, it is well over double the combined length of the European and Japanese networks combined.

So if you want to get a sense of what the future of rail travel might look like, China would seem to be the place to come.

...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31608679
Saw this earlier, couldn't believe my eyes at first. There's no mention of the crash or the corruption or the build qulity etc. That's not very "BBC".
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Old March 16th, 2015, 05:46 PM   #9133
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Saw this earlier, couldn't belive my eyes at first. There's no mention of the crash or the corruption or the build qulity etc. That's not very "BBC".
LOL.. so true.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 05:52 PM   #9134
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Chinese new trains looks awesome!
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:08 PM   #9135
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Nearly a decade on, Britain still has only that same 68-mile (109km) stretch of track, but China has built itself the longest high-speed network in the world.

At more than 12,000km (7,450 miles) in total, it is well over double the combined length of the European and Japanese networks combined.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31608679
So what is the CRH length?
12 000 km?
18 000 km?
40 000 km?
58 000 km?
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:19 PM   #9136
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Perhaps the Chinese are confused - how to call lines with top speed over 250 but below 300 kph?
Actually, it looks like I was more confused.

Here are the pages for reference;
高速铁路 "Gaosu Tielu" or High Speed Railway
快速铁路 "Kuaisu Tielu" or Rapid [Speed] Railway
客运专线 "Keyun Zhuanxian" or Passenger Dedicated Railway (PDL)

It appears PDLs aren't designated as such due to speed, but rather through use. So you can have a PDL designed for 200kph or 250 or 300 or 350. When it comes to the Kuaisu Tielu it looks like anything over 200kph applies, this just refers to speed limit. Not quite sure what would be a proper translation though - as Gaotie is often used for the High Speed and 300+

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End of 2015? Does it mean 58 000 km high speed railways combined?
From the Kuaisu Tielu page;

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高铁2015年底达1.8万公里

“铁总:2015年我国快速铁路网将覆盖50万人以上城市”[1] 报道:国务院新闻办公室在河北省唐山市举行发布会,会上,中国铁路总公司宣传部负责人表示,截止2014年底,中国铁路营业里程突破11.2万公里,其中高速铁路运营里程达到1.6万公里,高铁成为铁路客运的主力军。预计到2015年末,中国高速铁路营业里程达1.8万公里以上,以高速铁路为骨架。
快铁2015年底达4万公里

“铁总:2015年我国快速铁路网将覆盖50万人以上城市”报道:预计到2015年末,包括区际快速铁路、城际铁路及既有线提速线路等构成的快速铁路将达4万公里以上,基本覆盖50万人口以上城市。
Without translating everything, the two paragraph heads state "At the end of 2015, High Speed [Gaotie] will exceed 18,000 km" and "At the end of 2015, Rapid Speed will exceed 40,000 km." Of course there are no sources, so take it with a grain of salt.

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But I note that the red dotted line does not end in Zhenjiang! It goes on to somewhere in southeast Anhui.
Correct, it continues onwards towards to Ningguo [宁国] in Anhui passing through Danyang [丹阳], Jintan [金坛] and Liyang [溧阳] which are all in Jiangsu.

The other dotted line beside it starts at Wuhu [芜湖] and goes to Huangshan [黄山].

The third dotted line(s) over to the south and east in Zhejiang province start at Jinhua [金华], the northern branch goes to Zhoushan [舟山] via Ningbo [宁波] and the southern branch goes to Wenzhou [温州] via Lishui [丽水]. This one exists on Baike as "New Jin-Li-Wen Railway" and apparently it began constructing in 2010 and will be finished at the end of this year. It cost 17.9 billion RMB, is 189km long and will run at 200kph. Go figure!
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #9137
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UK had 200km/h railways for a long time. And quite a few of them. By definition used in either EU or China those are HSR too. In terms or average speeds they are comparable to China's D services.

For PR and marketing purposes, however, UK decided to use the term HSR only for new lines that are capable of 300km/h+ operation.
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The third dotted line(s) over to the south and east in Zhejiang province start at Jinhua [金华], the northern branch goes to Zhoushan [舟山] via Ningbo [宁波] and the southern branch goes to Wenzhou [温州] via Lishui [丽水]. This one exists on Baike as "New Jin-Li-Wen Railway" and apparently it began constructing in 2010 and will be finished at the end of this year. It cost 17.9 billion RMB, is 189km long and will run at 200kph. Go figure!
Figure what?
Does it mean that a bridge or a tunnel between Zhoushan and Ningbo is under construction and shall be open for scheduled passenger services at 200 km/h by December 2015?
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UK had 200km/h railways for a long time. And quite a few of them. By definition used in either EU or China those are HSR too. In terms or average speeds they are comparable to China's D services.

For PR and marketing purposes, however, UK decided to use the term HSR only for new lines that are capable of 300km/h+ operation.
In China's case, it can argue the permissible speed of all these HSR lines are 250km/h+ except one Nanguang(南广) railway which needs a upgrade(it already has 3500m minimum radius of curves), as we all know all the 250km/h lines are only allowed to run at up to 210km/h after the Wenzhou(温州) crash. Before the large scale construction of HSRs China has upgraded 6000km conventional trunk lines to 200km/h by the end of 2007 and now these lines only run up to 160km/h. There's so much saftey margin of these new lines, with little upgrade JR probably would be happy to run their trains at 300km/h on 250km/h lines and 400km/h on 350km/h line.
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Old March 18th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #9140
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Overnight 250km/h high speed sleeper train from Beijing to Guangzhou seem to be very popular. Thinking about it, 11 hours(20pm to 7am next morning) on a sleeper train to cover 2200km for the price of not too much over flight and you've got a whole day at either city without the need for a hotel. No wonder it's popular.

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