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Old April 25th, 2015, 12:02 AM   #9301
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No seats? Do they sell standing tickets?
Yes,they sell seatless tickets,but the number of seatless tickets is limited i think
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Old April 25th, 2015, 04:01 AM   #9302
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No seats? Do they sell standing tickets?
Although it's not recommended selling standing tickets on G train, in reality up to 30% overloading on D trains and G trains are normal practice on some busy lines,
There have been quite a few news that some passengers had to be persuaded to get off due to the trains refused to move when the sensor detected too much overload.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 06:52 AM   #9303
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Although it's not recommended selling standing tickets on G train, in reality up to 30% overloading on D trains and G trains are normal practice on some busy lines,
There have been quite a few news that some passengers had to be persuaded to get off due to the trains refused to move when the sensor detected too much overload.
Standing tickets are available on only select lines. You can also get one for the C trains between Tianjin and Beijing South and there are limited quotas per train.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 02:09 PM   #9304
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A couple of cab view pictures of Lanzhou-Xinjing PDL, quite old but don't think been posted



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Old April 28th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #9305
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TGV had a few level crossing accidents, low speed collisions, and high speed derailments, seatbelts would save a lot people from getting injuries.
But these accidents were very rare and most of them happened not on the HSR section, so will be even rarer on newly built HSR with no level crossings nor mixed running low speed trains.
Assuming seatbelts were installed, even the most cautious people after a few trips would think it's pointless to strap yourselves everytime just for the one in a million chance.
My point exactly !
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Old April 29th, 2015, 12:29 AM   #9306
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Qiantangjiang railway new bridge(four-track high speed) and Qiantangjiang railway second brideg(two-track passenger and freight mixed, right behind),
The new bridge carries high speed passenger services on Hangzhou-Changsha HSR and Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR.

On map:https://goo.gl/maps/mo5OV











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Old April 29th, 2015, 05:14 AM   #9307
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I hope this qualifies as high speed rail

You know what this is, it's been around for years, almost got forgotten.

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Old April 29th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #9308
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Hello

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From Wuhan Railway Station to Nanjing South Railway Station
Have Timetable?? please tell let me know! Thank You brother

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Old April 29th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #9309
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I filtered out the G/D trains from Wuhan to Nanjing South on a random date, and the results show in below link. if the link doesn't work, you can always go on english.ctrip.com, and filter the options you want.

http://english.ctrip.com/trains/list...m_ref=hp_sb_tn
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Old April 29th, 2015, 09:48 PM   #9310
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CRH380D on Shanghai - Nanjing route
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Old April 29th, 2015, 11:02 PM   #9311
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An employee at CSR started a crowd funding project to publish a picture album illustrating the history of HSR. Apparently he has collected sufficient fund for the first edition of his book. It is coming out in August!
This guy also organizes annual visit for railway enthusiasts to CSR production facilities, anyone in China who is interested, you can find his Weibo info by clicking the link below the picture.

http://www.guancha.cn/Project/2015_04_24_317205.shtml


Here is a hillarious video he made on the history of HSR, only in Chinese though
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Old April 30th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #9312
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China CNR, CSR Said to Weigh Bombardier Train Unit Purchase
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...r-s-train-unit

Chinese locomotive makers CSR Corp. and China CNR Corp. are considering the acquisition of a controlling stake in Bombardier Inc.’s train business, said a person familiar with the matter.

Deliberations are preliminary and the state-owned companies may decide not to proceed, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the information is private. Any deal to buy Bombardier’s rail operations would come after CNR and CSR complete their planned merger, the person said.

Bombardier hired UBS Group AG and Citigroup Inc. to advise on a possible sale or initial public offering of the rail unit, people familiar with the matter said this month. That step followed Executive Chairman Pierre Beaudoin’s February announcement that Bombardier “will explore” initiatives such as “potential participation in industry consolidation” to reduce debt.
Bombardier won’t comment “on any public speculation as to what may or may not happen as a result of this evaluation,” Isabelle Rondeau said Wednesday. She also said the rail unit “is not for sale.”

Beaudoin himself had delivered a similar message, according to Quebec Economy Minister Jacques Daoust, who said earlier this month that the executive had ruled out an outright sale of the business.

$5.4 Billion

Bombardier may fetch as much as $5.4 billion if it decides to sell the rail unit, which has played a “stabilizing role” amid the struggles at the company’s aerospace business, according to AltaCorp Capital.

Bombardier’s Class B shares rose 2.1 percent to C$2.47 by the close of trading in Toronto. The stock has lost 40 percent of its value this year.

A spokesman for CSR said he had no information on the matter, while a call to CNR’s press office wasn’t answered outside regular business hours.

Acquiring the rail unit would give the Chinese companies an international presence and enable them to take advantage of surging exports.

The two Chinese companies announced a plan in December to combine in a $12.3 billion share swap. Shares of CNR have surged 380 percent and CSR 418 percent in Shanghai trading this year. That would make the combination the world’s biggest railway company and the second-largest industrial company by market value, lagging behind only General Electric Corp.

China’s political leaders have touted the capabilities of their railway companies during overseas trips, helping them post record profits and win billions of dollars worth of orders. Chinese companies signed $24.7 billion of contracts for overseas rail projects last year, Commerce Ministry official Zhi Luxun said at a Feb. 5 briefing in Beijing.

Train Business

Citing people it didn’t identify, Reuters reported earlier Wednesday that the Chinese trainmakers are exploring buying control of Bombardier’s train business and have been in discussions with the Canadian company.

Bombardier’s transportation unit, which builds locomotives, is worth as much as C$3.50 a share, giving negative value to the aerospace business, Chris Murray, an analyst at AltaCorp, said in an interview earlier this month.

A breakup could be the best way for Bombardier to overcome the struggles facing its aerospace business, analysts and investors have said. The rail unit, which includes subway cars and signaling and control equipment, is the healthier part of the company, with 2014 earnings before interest and taxes of $429 million compared with a loss of $995 million at the aerospace unit.

Bombardier has pushed back the commercial debut of the CSeries aircraft to 2016 from 2013 because of repeated delays that have raised the development cost of its largest-ever plane to $5.4 billion, at least $2 billion over budget.
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Old April 30th, 2015, 03:51 AM   #9313
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Shanghai-Kunming HSR Beipanjiang Railway Bridge latest progress
Construction of the steel and concrete main arch has been fininshed, the bridge's looking good to be ready on time in 2016.



More information of the bridge:
http://www.highestbridges.com/wiki/i...ridge_Qinglong
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Old April 30th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #9314
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Not to be confused with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beipanj...Railway_Bridge

Also, Kunming, not Hunming
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Old April 30th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #9315
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I think the main interest of CSR/CNR in Bombarider rail division is to get in control of the wide patent portfolio. The problem for China now is that all of they HSR trains rely heavily on foreign patents. While all foreign manufacturers had to agree on technology transfer to chine, the accompanying agreements forbid Chine to sell the transferred technology abroad...
With the acquisition of Bombardier, China could for example bid for the US High Speed project without running into troubles ...

That won't make traditional European and Japanese manufacturers happy, after all it is them who developed the know-how over many decades.

That's capitalism at its best. The Zefiro Platform (CRH380D and its derived trains are basically Zefiro) has mainly been developed in Europe, its biggest stake is from Germany.
Various Bombarider facilities in Europe developed and built key components then shipped to China, together with a technology transfer deal as always(!) required by China. In other cases (Siemens, Alstom...) the first trains have been built in Europe, then the (money making but industry-destroying) technology-transfer deals enabled China to build those HSR trains domestically and continue development from that high starting point.

Subsequent trains are thus built in China, but still with the restriction of not selling that technology abroad. That's big money for Bombardiers stockholders, but employment is been lost in Europe. But for now at least engineering and development is still here (for example the Italian ETR1000 is part of the Zefiro family).

Now, Bombardiers stockholders could make even more money again by selling Bombardiers rail business to China, enabling China to basically take the world's export market as production in China takes place at a fraction of the labor cost of Europe or Japan.

Bombardier Germany amongst others then are f*** up.
They have developed key technologies over decades, but will as it seems lose their engineering intellectual property if the takeover by CSR/CNR will happen. Chinese will produce and sell that stuff to the entire world market at lowest costs.

Again, capitalism at its best. Those who make money with the deal are not those who have really worked for it for year...

Ok, I know China has another more proud national version of HSR history, claiming that almost all HSR technology is being developed in China anyway. Let's start the traditional flame war :-)
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Old April 30th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #9316
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Well by developing its own technology it wont be fast enough to catch up with the rest. I see no problem with that and the Chinese can still be pround. Archieve one thing it doesnt need to do it in one way. And who cares where the technology originate from. The only thing that matter is your ability to transform it and continue and develop as your own. Money only wont make this happen. Obviously you also need smart people to make the plan. Both business wise and engineer wise. The only loser will make noise regarding to technology. But who cares. If the chinese is not capable of building the technology. Buying bombardier wont do much.
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Old April 30th, 2015, 06:59 PM   #9317
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What about extending the Kunming HSR to the Myanmar border?
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Old April 30th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #9318
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Not to be confused with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beipanj...Railway_Bridge

Also, Kunming, not Hunming
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Old April 30th, 2015, 07:28 PM   #9319
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To what purpose?

Without an agreement to run it through Burma to the port it would make sense.
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Old April 30th, 2015, 08:35 PM   #9320
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I think the main interest of CSR/CNR in Bombarider rail division is to get in control of the wide patent portfolio. The problem for China now is that all of they HSR trains rely heavily on foreign patents. While all foreign manufacturers had to agree on technology transfer to chine, the accompanying agreements forbid Chine to sell the transferred technology abroad...
With the acquisition of Bombardier, China could for example bid for the US High Speed project without running into troubles ...
......
Ok, I know China has another more proud national version of HSR history, claiming that almost all HSR technology is being developed in China anyway. Let's start the traditional flame war :-)
The rumour is CSR's trying to increase their share in BST(A joint venture between Bombardier Transportation and CSR Sifang) which is producing CRH1 and CRH380D.
The reason behind this is probably to have more say in the further development of CRH1 and CRH380D. So no need to panic yet.
CRH380A can be said to be all chinese as all the patents of CRH380A are owned by CSR. That's why a model of CRH380A rather than any of the others was presented everytime chinese Premier's promoting CRH abroad.
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