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Old June 1st, 2015, 08:36 PM   #9461
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I'm not an expert of course, but my educated guess would be that NE China will be a big loser from such a transition. Will be difficult to compete for knowledge workers with areas further South. Who would willingly choose the climate of Harbin over that of Guangzhou?
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Old June 1st, 2015, 09:21 PM   #9462
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I'm not an expert of course, but my educated guess would be that NE China will be a big loser from such a transition. Will be difficult to compete for knowledge workers with areas further South. Who would willingly choose the climate of Harbin over that of Guangzhou?
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Guangzhou is too humid.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 10:36 PM   #9463
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I'm not an expert of course, but my educated guess would be that NE China will be a big loser from such a transition. Will be difficult to compete for knowledge workers with areas further South. Who would willingly choose the climate of Harbin over that of Guangzhou?
Climate is important but it's far from being the only or even the main factor for where the technology-intensive industries are based. There is a range of potential competitive advantages and it depends how local governments will manage to exploit them.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 10:50 PM   #9464
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Climate is important but it's far from being the only or even the main factor for where the technology-intensive industries are based. There is a range of potential competitive advantages and it depends how local governments will manage to exploit them.
Yes of course, otherwise Hawaii or Kenyan highlands would be major technology centres. Still I don't think it's an accident that San Francisco area is the major technology centre in US and not Minnesota or Wisconsin.

Elite Universities is a major factor (Stanford in the case of Silicon Valley) and the best ones I know off in China are in Shanghai (particularly there) or Beijing.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 06:20 PM   #9465
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Thus, it will help tourism only? What about business prospects, like moving manufacturing towards the NE of China and NK?
Liaoning is already a manufacturing basement,what the NE need is more service industry.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 02:02 AM   #9466
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Even though Shanghai-Kunming HSR Guizhou section(Xinhuang West-Guiyang North) will open on 16th of June, most media attention is on eagerly awaited Hefei-Fuzhou HSR which is opening in less a month.

From 1st of June, Hefei-Fuzhou HSR has started one month trial operation.

By 西安赵建强

Arrived at Shangrao Station from Nanchang West via Shanghai-Kunming HSR


Shangrao Station Shanghai-Kunming HSR mainline tracks


Looking up at Hefei-Fuzhou HSR elevated platform


Getting up on the elevated platform


Some lucky people getting a taste before the official openning


Arrived at Wuyuan Station, same platform design, pragmatic but uninspiring


Rest of the people continued their journey


Inside Wuyuan Station main hall, nearly finished


Station square, statue of Zhan tianyou(Tien Yow Jeme), known as "Father of China's Railroad"
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 09:57 AM   #9467
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Even though Shanghai-Kunming HSR Guizhou section(Xinhuang West-Guiyang North) will open on 16th of June, most media attention is on eagerly awaited Hefei-Fuzhou HSR which is opening in less a month.
Is it known which, if any, destinations beyond Xinhuang shall have high speed train service to Guiyang on 16th instant?
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 08:53 PM   #9468
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Is it known which, if any, destinations beyond Xinhuang shall have high speed train service to Guiyang on 16th instant?
Initially 25 pair of G/D trains will depart or terminate at Guiyang North from 16th.

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Yuanping-Taiyuan HSR test track ready for secret tests, there are speculations going around what these tests will be.
1, 350km/h ballasted track system
2, spacer or special plate to increase the super-elevation on slab track
3, noise reduction on slab track, this one only emerged when someone posted a few pictures on social website.

I'm sure there's more and will be leaked out when the tests start.

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Old June 3rd, 2015, 11:04 PM   #9469
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More pictures from the second day of Hefei-Fuzhou HSR trial operation
From Wuyuan to Huangshan

Pictures by 西安赵建强

Wuyuan Station in the morning, the station blending well with local residential buildings




On the platform, the train's arriving


Inside second class carriage


Inside driver's cab


Driver's view


Cruising at 294km/h


CTCS3-300S train contral display panel, ATP top speed sets at 300km/h


All very Shinkansen style


Arrived at Huangshan Station only after 20mins




Most are media people


Huangshan Station main hall, media people were getting a warm welcome since everyone wants the media on their side, CRH has learned it hard way


Huangsha city take the opportunity to promote tourism


Finally a Anhui province culture show in the evening, what a day
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 11:29 PM   #9470
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What do you mean by " 350km/h ballasted track system"

The truck in the pictures is ballestless but they are elevated with those dark gray slabs, I believe, to decrease the ground clearance between the train and ground which will decrease the amount of airflow underneath the train.

I think these pictures are serious signs for a very high speed test.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #9471
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What do you mean by " 350km/h ballasted track system"

The truck in the pictures is ballestless but they are elevated with those dark gray slabs, I believe, to decrease the ground clearance between the train and ground which will decrease the amount of airflow underneath the train.

I think these pictures are serious signs for a very high speed test.
Apparently there's several kilometres of ballested track for testing purpose, haven't seen any pictures, but rumour's been around for months.
It seems future HSR in west region will adopt ballasted track capable of 350km/h, so more tests are needed.
At the moment, apart from thousands kilometres of 250km/h ballasted tracks, there's only very short stretch of 300km/h ballasted tracks on Beijing-Shanghai HSR and Hefei-Fuzhou HSR.
Why in favour of 350km/h ballasted track in west region, one guess is there won't be enough passengers to fill up the G/D trains, so normal speed trains and freight trains will use the line as well and ballasted track is more tolerant to heavier axle load.

It looks to me those are just foams, that's why I guess it's just for noise reduction.

It well could be one of the tests, this stretch of HSR has been designated as 350km/h operational when all the other 300km/h and above HSR just as 300km/h operational.
Also, someone has spotted CIT500(renamed as CRH380AM) at Taiyuan South station. Although there's also rumours CIT500's top speed has been limited by software to 380km/h.
So we can only wait and see what happens.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 06:56 AM   #9472
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Apparently there's several kilometres of ballested track for testing purpose, haven't seen any pictures, but rumour's been around for months.
It seems future HSR in west region will adopt ballasted track capable of 350km/h, so more tests are needed.
At the moment, apart from thousands kilometres of 250km/h ballasted tracks, there's only very short stretch of 300km/h ballasted tracks on Beijing-Shanghai HSR and Hefei-Fuzhou HSR.
Why in favour of 350km/h ballasted track in west region, one guess is there won't be enough passengers to fill up the G/D trains, so normal speed trains and freight trains will use the line as well and ballasted track is more tolerant to heavier axle load.

It looks to me those are just foams, that's why I guess it's just for noise reduction.

It well could be one of the tests, this stretch of HSR has been designated as 350km/h operational when all the other 300km/h and above HSR just as 300km/h operational.
Also, someone has spotted CIT500(renamed as CRH380AM) at Taiyuan South station. Although there's also rumours CIT500's top speed has been limited by software to 380km/h.
So we can only wait and see what happens.

Dual use lines hence ballasted tracks might be useful for the Western regions.

However, noise reduction doesn't make too much sense to me...

Interesting in any case.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 07:58 AM   #9473
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Initially 25 pair of G/D trains will depart or terminate at Guiyang North from 16th.
Yes, but is it known where these 25 pairs go?
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Old June 4th, 2015, 05:50 PM   #9474
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1. Why will western china not have too many passengers?
2. Will the Kunming HSR open next year on schedule?

Also, why are the media so excited about Hefei-Fuzhou HSR? What is its implications?

I always Kunming HSR would be a game changer for Yunnan province.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #9475
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Yes, but is it known where these 25 pairs go?
Not 100% certain, the official timetable hasn't been revealed yet, the original plan was to open this section at the end of this month, since the trial run proved to be very successful, the openning was moved to 16th, not sure if all the stations on this section are ready or not by the time.


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Guiyang North EMU depot just received 12 sets of brand new CRH380A(6 sets in the pictures).






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Old June 4th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #9476
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1. Why will western china not have too many passengers?
2. Will the Kunming HSR open next year on schedule?

Also, why are the media so excited about Hefei-Fuzhou HSR? What is its implications?

I always Kunming HSR would be a game changer for Yunnan province.
Population density, personal income, travelling habits in west region(excluding Sichuan basin, which has two mega cities and tens small cities closely around) are generally behind east region, high speed EMUs mixed with normal passenger trains and fast goods trains(using same bogies as normal passenger trains) is the way to go.

Yes, so far all tunnel and bridge projects are on schedule.

First 300km/h+ HSR in Fujian and Southern Anhui, two of the top ten tourist attractions in China(Huangshan, Wuyishan) and the most scenic county(Wuyuan) in the country are along the line, and it connects with several other HSRs making these places become reachable from most part of the country by fast, safe, comfortable and all weather means of transportation.
Also it's surpposed to bring Taiwan closer to Beijing(not many people actually care about this).

It indeed will, besides Shanghai-Kunming HSR, there's also kunming-Nanning railway(200km/h-250km/h), Kunming-Ruili(border city with Myanmar) railway, Kunming-Mohan(boder town with Laos) under construction.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #9477
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Population density, personal income, travelling habits in west region(excluding Sichuan basin, which has two mega cities and tens small cities closely around) are generally behind east region, high speed EMUs mixed with normal passenger trains and fast goods trains(using same bogies as normal passenger trains) is the way to go.
Yes, but getting a 350 km/h high speed train past a 160 km/h passenger or freight train is more difficult than getting a 250 km/h high speed train past. Or not?
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Population density, personal income, travelling habits in west region(excluding Sichuan basin, which has two mega cities and tens small cities closely around) are generally behind east region, high speed EMUs mixed with normal passenger trains and fast goods trains(using same bogies as normal passenger trains) is the way to go.

Yes, so far all tunnel and bridge projects are on schedule.

First 300km/h+ HSR in Fujian and Southern Anhui, two of the top ten tourist attractions in China(Huangshan, Wuyishan) and the most scenic county(Wuyuan) in the country are along the line, and it connects with several other HSRs making these places become reachable from most part of the country by fast, safe, comfortable and all weather means of transportation.
Also it's surpposed to bring Taiwan closer to Beijing(not many people actually care about this).

It indeed will, besides Shanghai-Kunming HSR, there's also kunming-Nanning railway(200km/h-250km/h), Kunming-Ruili(border city with Myanmar) railway, Kunming-Mohan(boder town with Laos) under construction.
So if Ruii is extended to Yangon/Mandalay, Shanghai Myanmar by train will be a reality?
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Yes, but getting a 350 km/h high speed train past a 160 km/h passenger or freight train is more difficult than getting a 250 km/h high speed train past. Or not?
Initial top speed will be only 250km/h, so the price hike will be more acceptable to majority of passengers, certainly mixing trains with different speeds is not the most efficient way, but that's the compromise to make to cater for different group of passengers.
As long as all the trains are fitted with sufficient signalling devices, and regular inspection and maintenance are done properly, safty should still be guarenteed.
Is Italy running some of their HSR like this?
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Old June 4th, 2015, 11:38 PM   #9480
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So if Ruii is extended to Yangon/Mandalay, Shanghai Myanmar by train will be a reality?
One step a time, everything is possible.
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