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Old June 26th, 2015, 03:01 AM   #9561
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By Arles猫段

Beijing-Shanghai HSR through 600mm lens, about 5km south of Bengbu station


Hefei-Bengbu HSR southbound track overpassing Beijing-Shanghai HSR, both trains just left Bengbu station going southbound
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Old June 26th, 2015, 04:54 AM   #9562
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Those last two pictures are epic.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 07:40 AM   #9563
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That's more like it. Still within a sweet zone for HSR an going to an important commercial centre in China.

Incidentally what's so special about that G train business class that it would cost more than twice as much a first class?
Compare and contrast fairly similar distance: Changsha South-Guangzhou South.
96 high speed trains daily:
5 express trains, nonstop, trip time 2:22 to 2:24
90 stopping G trains, 1 to 6 intermediate stops, trip time 2:30 (G93) to 3:02 (G6145)
ticket price second class 314 yuan, first class 504 yuan, VIP seat 600 yuan, business class seat 995 yuan
1 D train D2101, 9 stops, trip time 4:22
ticket price second class 219 yuan, first class 349 yuan, business class 654 yuan
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Old June 26th, 2015, 12:28 PM   #9564
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Thanks for the gerat posts, voyager, impressive!

I noticed the hand gesture image you described with
"Passing Changlinghe station, hand gesture means "Caution while passing""

So the driver is taught to rise his hand forming a hollow fist when passing a station, I guess the idea is to increase awareness of the train driver himself in order "to do the right things" according to the situation he just recognized?

This is interesting, I have not heard of such procedures for train drivers in Europe (I think the idea originates in Japan?).

What is the psychological background of this kind of safety measures?
What set of gestures or other kind of expression do train drivers practice?

Would be very curious to learn more ...
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Old June 26th, 2015, 04:51 PM   #9565
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New 350KM/H train,this one is from the former CNR Changchun,and there will be one from CSR,too.it will be a milestone for China HSR,there will be a "Chinese Standards" for HSR,it has Unified the passenger UI,driver UI,main parts(like wheels,CRH380B's wheel is larger than CRH380A).they have the same height,width(CRH380B is higer than CRH380A,CRH380A is wider than CRH380b,BUT they will the same for the NEW 350KM/H train)





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Old June 26th, 2015, 06:22 PM   #9566
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exactly for the past few decades
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Old June 26th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #9567
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Compare and contrast fairly similar distance: Changsha South-Guangzhou South.
96 high speed trains daily:
5 express trains, nonstop, trip time 2:22 to 2:24
90 stopping G trains, 1 to 6 intermediate stops, trip time 2:30 (G93) to 3:02 (G6145)
ticket price second class 314 yuan, first class 504 yuan, VIP seat 600 yuan, business class seat 995 yuan
1 D train D2101, 9 stops, trip time 4:22
ticket price second class 219 yuan, first class 349 yuan, business class 654 yuan
Those G train prices are not that far off European HSR prices any more. What is interesting to me is that you have more classes than we do (4 instead of our normal 2).
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Old June 26th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #9568
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Thanks for the gerat posts, voyager, impressive!

I noticed the hand gesture image you described with
"Passing Changlinghe station, hand gesture means "Caution while passing""

So the driver is taught to rise his hand forming a hollow fist when passing a station, I guess the idea is to increase awareness of the train driver himself in order "to do the right things" according to the situation he just recognized?

This is interesting, I have not heard of such procedures for train drivers in Europe (I think the idea originates in Japan?).

What is the psychological background of this kind of safety measures?
What set of gestures or other kind of expression do train drivers practice?

Would be very curious to learn more ...
Yes, this kind of procedure did originate from Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUdMYI5PAM

I suppose the idea behind it is human beings are bound to make errors, so when the machines are not intelligent enough to prevent human errors from happening, then make human beings act like machines.
It may be harsh to the drivers, but when thousands people's lives in their hands, it made sense.
Did Europe take a different approach? That DSD(Driver Safety Device) system is really a pain in the neck.
Just imagine CRH drivers have to press the DSD pedal every 30 secs and do all those hand gestures at the same time, luckily there's plenty long stretches of straight tracks, just need to set up the cruise control then try not to fall asleep.

There's two more hand gestures, pointing foward to the windsreen with two fingers to acknowledge the lineside signals.
Also, in this picture, the driver pointed to the MMI to acknowledge the receipt of the instruction.
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Old June 27th, 2015, 03:53 AM   #9569
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weibo @Satishu

New 350KM/H train,this one is from the former CNR Changchun,and there will be one from CSR,too.it will be a milestone for China HSR,there will be a "Chinese Standards" for HSR,it has Unified the passenger UI,driver UI,main parts(like wheels,CRH380B's wheel is larger than CRH380A).they have the same height,width(CRH380B is higer than CRH380A,CRH380A is wider than CRH380b,BUT they will the same for the NEW 350KM/H train)
Wow! What an exciting train! Looks like CRH interior design finally caught up! No more of that generic China blue! Not to mention the front looks a lot nicer and "futuristic" than the 380A.

From what you say, it seems like the train is finally resolving the various standards caused by some trains being German in origin, and others being based off the Shinkansen E2 (380A included). Terrific.
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Old June 27th, 2015, 06:01 AM   #9570
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The new multi-colored interior design looks much more pleasant than the previous uniformly colored interior. Thumb up!

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Old June 27th, 2015, 06:07 AM   #9571
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Wow! What an exciting train! Looks like CRH interior design finally caught up! No more of that generic China blue! Not to mention the front looks a lot nicer and "futuristic" than the 380A.

From what you say, it seems like the train is finally resolving the various standards caused by some trains being German in origin, and others being based off the Shinkansen E2 (380A included). Terrific.
What could be the Chinese standard(Just copying, don't understand much personally):

Traction and power: 4M4T(2 traction units) + higher power IGBT + 600kw plus traction motors(synchronous permanent magnet?)

Train communication network: WTB + MVB + ETB

Bogie: 920mm wheel + H frame + Bombardier style motor mounting + better suspension combination

Body: Light weight body structure + rectangle shaped(25000L,3360W,4050H) + more aerodynamic(no intruded A/C or cables)

Others: Long nose with crash zone + better passenger interface + emergency auxiliary power + improvements regarding high voltage units, maintenance etc
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Old June 27th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #9572
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Wow! What an exciting train! Looks like CRH interior design finally caught up! No more of that generic China blue! Not to mention the front looks a lot nicer and "futuristic" than the 380A.

From what you say, it seems like the train is finally resolving the various standards caused by some trains being German in origin, and others being based off the Shinkansen E2 (380A included). Terrific.
I still find 380A and also CIT500 more attractive. This will be my #4, after 380A, CIT500 and CRH380D.
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Old June 28th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #9573
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I still find 380A and also CIT500 more attractive. This will be my #4, after 380A, CIT500 and CRH380D.
The 380D is my personal top too, but the CIT500 looks "unfinished " (since it is), like it could use a layer of white paint. And imo the 380A's shape just looks undynamic, as if they decided to make it a long simple wedge and go home.
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Old June 28th, 2015, 12:50 PM   #9574
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Hefei-Fuzhou PDL [合福高铁] opened today.

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The Hefei-Fuzhou high-speed railway was put into operated on Sunday, which spans east China's Anhui, Jiangxi Provinces and also southeast China's Fujian Province and shortens the travel hours from Hefei to southeast China's Fuzhou to within four hours.
Hefei-Fuzhou High-Speed Railway put into operation


The G5602 high-speed train departs from Fuzhou in southeast China's Fujian Province, June 28, 2015. [From Xinhuanet]


The G2621 high-speed train departs from the Hefei South Railway Station in Hefei, capital of east China's Anhui Province, June 28, 2015. [From Xinhuanet]

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新华网江西频道6月28日电(吴亚芬)6月28日,有最美铁路之称的合福高铁正式通车了!它的通车使闽赣皖三省的武夷山——上饶——婺源——黄山等旅游城市形成“半小时交通圈”,开启了“省际同城生活”。本网在通车首日上午8点57分在福州站登上G2626次福州至合肥南的高铁列车,体验一次“追风之旅”。
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合福高铁今正式通车 开启赣闽皖“省际同城生活”





More pictures from Anhui Xinhua at 合福高铁正式开通运营
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Old June 28th, 2015, 04:33 PM   #9575
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Old June 28th, 2015, 09:38 PM   #9576
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Are there any direct trains between Beijing and Fuzhou via Hefei?
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Old June 28th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #9577
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Are there any direct trains between Beijing and Fuzhou via Hefei?
Yes, the trains goes from Beijing to Xiamen, tickets goes on sale 7/1

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北京南~厦门北G321/G326次、G323/G322次、G325/G324次;
http://news.qq.com/a/20150529/026006.htm
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Old June 28th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #9578
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Is the HSR network making money or losing money overall, beside the Beijing to Shanghai corridor, is it at least taking in enough revenue to cover operating costs plus new investments?
Losing money overall, in fact, the entire rail company as a whole lost 6 billion yuan Q2015, mainly due to decrease in cargo transport.

Passanger travel is never meant to make money, it's made to boost the economy, hence tax revenue. This is true for HSR, and even more so for regular passenger rail. In fact, if you just look at operation cost (i.e. discount interested payments for HSR construction loan) regular passenger rail loses even more money, because the ticket prices are still capped at essentially 1990s levels with hardseats routinely at 15 -20 fen / km range. (1.3 - 1.8 US cents per mile). However it's low prices that these that enables poor farmers to travel thousands of miles to work at coastal factories. Chinese passenger rail could introduce yield management price the tickets the same way the airliners does, it will drastically reduced losses and may even turn a profit. However i doubt it's gonna happen, since raising train ticket prices is one of few things that will set off a mass rebellion in China.

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Old June 29th, 2015, 01:37 AM   #9579
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[QUOTE=flankerjun;125141399]More pics ,NEW 380KM/H train,[email protected]



Omg they are so impressive , China just go on!!
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Old June 29th, 2015, 01:46 AM   #9580
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What's the quickest way to get from Nanjing to Huangshan? I dont think there is a direct HSR link yet?
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