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Old June 29th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #9581
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What's the quickest way to get from Nanjing to Huangshan? I dont think there is a direct HSR link yet?
合福高铁开通后,南京市民要去黄山和婺源就可以乘坐高铁了。从南京南站出发,在合肥南站可实现“零换乘”。即无需出站,直接由站台层上至候车层,而后再由相应的检票口乘坐接续列车。铁路部门推荐去黄山,可在南京南站乘坐至长沙南的G579次,在合肥换乘G1601次,全程运行3小时07分即可到达黄山北站,3小时44分即可到达婺源站。

The recommendation is G579 then G1601, 3 hours and 7 minutes travel time.

For comparesion: long distance bus will take ~5 hours depends on traffic. While the quickest train is K25, 5 hours 45 minutes.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 03:55 AM   #9582
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More pics ,NEW 380KM/H train,[email protected]

Are these pictures showing two different heads of the same train? Or two completely different trains.

The first head is beautiful.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 04:04 AM   #9583
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Are these pictures showing two different heads of the same train? Or two completely different trains.

The first head is beautiful.
two trains,one is CNR Changchun,the other is CSR Sifang.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 04:53 AM   #9584
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I still find 380A and also CIT500 more attractive. This will be my #4, after 380A, CIT500 and CRH380D.
I agree 100% with your list and order 380A all the way

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Old June 29th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #9585
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Passanger travel is never meant to make money, it's made to boost the economy, hence tax revenue. This is true for HSR, and even more so for regular passenger rail. In fact, if you just look at operation cost (i.e. discount interested payments for HSR construction loan) regular passenger rail loses even more money, because the ticket prices are still capped at essentially 1990s levels with hardseats routinely at 15 -20 fen / km range. (1.3 - 1.8 US cents per mile). However it's low prices that these that enables poor farmers to travel thousands of miles to work at coastal factories. Chinese passenger rail could introduce yield management price the tickets the same way the airliners does, it will drastically reduced losses and may even turn a profit. However i doubt it's gonna happen, since raising train ticket prices is one of few things that will set off a mass rebellion in China.
Do China´s roads make a profit?
Do airports?

Some comparable distances:
Shenzhen-Xinyang nominally 1370 km. Fastest train G76, trip time 5:26, second class ticket 609 yuan
Shenzhen-Ningbo 1309 km. Fastest train D2282, trip time 9:13, second class ticket 388 yuan 5 jiao
Shenzhen-Macheng 1288 km. Fastest non-G train T398, trip time 13:59, hard seat ticket 156 yuan 5 jiao.

Small differences exist in these distances of around 1300 km. As you can see, taking D train rather than T saves about 5 hours at a cost of 232 yuan over the T train price. Taking G saves additional 3 and a half hours, for about 220 yuan extra.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 05:35 AM   #9586
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Two CRH350 prototypes will be officially unveiled today.

Some sneak peeks before the ceremony
First, CRH350 prototype from CRRC(CSR) Sifang
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:38 AM   #9587
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The other CRH350 prototype from CRRC(CNR) Changchun
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:48 AM   #9588
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Ceremony preparation
This set pictures were posted by 铁路小亨 before those detail shots













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Old June 30th, 2015, 07:12 AM   #9589
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The weather has cleared up. It's a big day for everyone who's involved in the project.
(Have some fun before the bosses and VIPs here.)









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Old June 30th, 2015, 07:52 AM   #9590
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Preview, huh.... Nice updates.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 08:20 AM   #9591
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Preview, huh.... Nice updates.
Plenty live updates about this event on weibo.com

Can't help but share my excitement here.



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Old June 30th, 2015, 10:22 AM   #9592
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Do China´s roads make a profit?
Do airports?

Some comparable distances:
Shenzhen-Xinyang nominally 1370 km. Fastest train G76, trip time 5:26, second class ticket 609 yuan
Shenzhen-Ningbo 1309 km. Fastest train D2282, trip time 9:13, second class ticket 388 yuan 5 jiao
Shenzhen-Macheng 1288 km. Fastest non-G train T398, trip time 13:59, hard seat ticket 156 yuan 5 jiao.

Small differences exist in these distances of around 1300 km. As you can see, taking D train rather than T saves about 5 hours at a cost of 232 yuan over the T train price. Taking G saves additional 3 and a half hours, for about 220 yuan extra.
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Not sure about airports, but most of the road do make a profit. There they seem to have freedom to make toll prices rather high compared average income etc. I just took a car trip just around my only home province last week, just driving around the prefecture and prefecture next to ours visiting villages and towns. And toll comes at more than 350 yuan, which is quite amazing compared to cost of everything else.

Another thing is bridges, in my hometown, they had the audacity to charge 15 yuan per crossing of a 1960s bridge (which was costs nothing to city to build, constructed by during the revolutionary period when no one was asking money.) since the 1990. The bridge was a major artery connecting two halfs of the city, and since 2000 something like 300k cars crosses it every day. As you can imagine, the city made huge bank on it and the bridge don't look like it had or really need too much maintenance either. God knows where the money went.


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On ticket prices, yes indeed there is marginal payoff for time savings per margin cost of the tickets. Some someone at Chinese rail actually have nice charts for marginal benefit of timing saving (express in term of income, urgency [such seeing loved ones]) vs costs of tickets for Beijing-Shanghai route. It's probably some good clean fun for some econ forum members over there.








*There is a flaw in their analysis though, since for Beijing Shanghai, D train overnight sleeper is probably more to G trains despite longer running time. Since overnight sleeping time is essentially free traveling time.
http://bbs.railcn.net/thread-1487316-1-1.html
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Old June 30th, 2015, 12:05 PM   #9593
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I just took a car trip just around my only home province last week, just driving around the prefecture and prefecture next to ours visiting villages and towns. And toll comes at more than 350 yuan, which is quite amazing compared to cost of everything else.

Another thing is bridges, in my hometown, they had the audacity to charge 15 yuan per crossing of a 1960s bridge
15 yuan per which crossing? Car? Pedestrian? Passenger found inside car?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #9594
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CRRC(CNR) Changchun CRH-0503
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:35 PM   #9595
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It doesn't matter if roads and expressways make money in the traditional sense. When you factor in the external costs per passenger-km traveled in both HSR and roads, the road's much greater environmental and social costs will probably make it less profitable than HSR. So roads should make lots of money. If you are going to make a lower capacity, less efficient, space hogging and polluting mode of transport it should at least give you lots of profit.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 04:27 PM   #9596
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CRRC(CSR) Sifang CRH-0207
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Old June 30th, 2015, 04:35 PM   #9597
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Why doesn't China use any other colour except white for HSR trains?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #9598
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Clean and tidy. Interesting that gold is one of the favorite colors of Chinese.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #9599
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Clean and tidy. Interesting that gold is one of the favorite colors of Chinese.
It would be more interesting and add some diversity if they use more colours. At least one specific colour for a line? Or advertisement just like in the UK to increase revenue? Or use paradigmatic paint.
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