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Old July 3rd, 2015, 01:26 PM   #9621
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Hi everybody!
I' m looking information on freight train speed in China and some other countries (Germany, USA, Canada, France, India)... it's pity i can't find any info on national operators web-sites of the above countries... please, help me find info on freight train speed (average speed, service speed and freight delivery speed)
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 05:30 PM   #9622
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 10:32 PM   #9623
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please help me if you know some information on train speed!!
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Old July 4th, 2015, 01:18 AM   #9624
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Hi everybody!
I' m looking information on freight train speed in China and some other countries (Germany, USA, Canada, France, India)... it's pity i can't find any info on national operators web-sites of the above countries... please, help me find info on freight train speed (average speed, service speed and freight delivery speed)
Considering China has a very big and complex railway network, it will be difficult to get accurate figures.

AFAIK, on some dedicated coal lines, heavy coal trains travel at 80km/h non-stop from one end to the other, one such line can transport one quarter to half billion tons of coal in a year.

There are fast freight trains carrying parcels capable of travelling at 160km/h and they have high priority as some express passenger trains, so their average speed can be as high as 120km/h-140km/h.

Those freight trains carrying all kinds of bulky goods sharing the lines with passenger trains are constantly getting put on the passing siding to let passenger trains pass, they normally can only manage around 30km/h average speed.

If putting into account the time these freight wagons spend at classification yards, the average speed of goods reaching from one end to the other could be as low as 15km/h.

That's all I know, hope it helps.
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Old July 4th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #9625
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Old July 4th, 2015, 11:33 AM   #9626
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China readying deployment of synchronous traction system for high speed rail that would enable 50% faster operation starting around 2018

China has become a world leader in high-speed railway technology with its development of a cutting-edge permanent magnet synchronous traction system that will take bullet trains to an ultrafast 500 kilometers per hour (300 miles per hour).

The advanced 690-kilowatt traction system was developed by CRRC Corp, the country's train-making behemoth, at its Zhuzhou Institute in Hunan province. It will soon enter mass production, said Ding Rongjun, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering who heads the institute.

"Now we have our own permanent magnet synchronous traction system with full intellectual property rights, marking a new chapter in China's high-speed railways," he said, adding that only a handful of countries are capable of manufacturing the sophisticated apparatus, including Germany and Japan.

* new synchronous traction will allow high speed rail to go 50% faster
* new system boasts more power
* simpler configuration
* lower electrical consumption
* more reliable and efficient

Feng Jianghua, deputy director of the institute, said the adoption of the technology will reshape the high-speed railway industry because traction equipment is the most important part of a bullet train.

Currently, most high-speed trains in service in the world are propelled by alternating current asynchronous motors, a traction system first developed in the 1970s.

The Zhuzhou Institute began research and development on permanent magnet synchronous traction technology in 2003 after it noticed that major international train makers, such as Siemens and Bombardier, had launched projects to acquire the equipment, Feng told China Economic Weekly.

The magazine quoted Xu Junfeng, a senior engineer at the institute, as saying that engineers overcame a large number of technical difficulties. China had never looked at the high-tech equipment before the project.

After eight years, engineers completed development in 2011 and installed the advanced traction system on trains running on Subway Line 2 in Shenyang, Liaoning province, as a trial.

The test has proved successful, Xu said.

In December 2013, the institute brought the system to bullet trains, expecting speeds of 500 km / h. Trials were undertaken on several trains in October.

Jia Limin of Beijing Jiaotong University, who heads China's high-speed railway innovation program, said that if everything goes well, trains equipped with the new traction system will become fully operational by 2018.

Compared with an alternating current asynchronous motor, the new system boasts more power, simpler configuration and lower electrical consumption, Jia said.

"The new system has fewer parts than the current traction apparatus, so it is more reliable and efficient," he said.

Sheng Guangzu, general manager of China Railway Corp, has pledged to speed up the development of key technologies in high-speed rail and to design a new bullet train using Chinese standards.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/06/chi...oyment-of.html
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Old July 4th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #9627
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The old line will reach its capacity in a few years, besides the section between Yichang(宜昌) and Lichuan(利川) only has 160km/h designed speed and already filled with freight, slow passenger(25G, 120km/h), express passenger trains(25K and 25T,140km/h to 160km/h) and CRH EMUs(after the signal along the line upgraded to CTCS-2).

This proposed new 350km/h line was brought to public attention again after Zhengzhou(郑州) to Wanzhou(万州) section of the Zhengzhou-Chongqing HSR successfully got the green light to be constructed as 350km/h HSR after tough negotiation between central government bodies and the provinces involved.

Part of the Zhengzhou-Wanzhou section will be shared with this new proposed Shanghai-Chongqing and Chengdu 350km/h HSR. Since this section is the most challenging section to be constructed and most importantly has been upgraded from 250km/h to 350km/h against initial decision from central government bodies, other provinces along the Yangtze river smelt the winds of change and felt it's the perfect timing to hitch a ride, after each one proposed their section of new lines, there we have a new proposed 350km/h Shanghai-Chongqing and Chengdu HSR.
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Nanjing-Hefei, pretty much parallel to existing 250km/h line.
Hefei-Wuhan, either parallel to existing line or from Hefei to Xiangyang(bypassing Wuhan) connecting Zhengzhou-Chongqing HSR at Xiangyang South station.
Wuhan-Yichang, either parallel to existing line or going though Jingmeng to Yichang, this is the line the news on this page was talking about.
Yichang-Wanzhou, along the north side of the Yangtze river, only Badong(not the one on existing Yichang-Wanzhou railway) to Wanzhou section confirmed.
There's also rumour about Chengdu-Dazhou-Wanzhou 350km/h line bypassing Chongqing.

All these new lines except Badong-Wanzhou are still at very early stage, none has been confirmed.

Wait, this doesn't seem to make much sense.

It seems that since the existing Beijing-Shanghai HSR will already be near capacity in the near future, and that section is shared with the existing Shanghai-Chengdu HSR corridor. The section east of Nanjing would be over capacity much sooner than the rest of the corridor.

I'm not sure how building new parallel lines west of Nanjing would actually alleviate the congestion, if it is as you said that the actual new sections are only between Nanjing and Wanzhou.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 12:48 AM   #9628
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China readying deployment of synchronous traction system for high speed rail that would enable 50% faster operation starting around 2018

China has become a world leader in high-speed railway technology with its development of a cutting-edge permanent magnet synchronous traction system that will take bullet trains to an ultrafast 500 kilometers per hour (300 miles per hour).

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This is some exciting news!

Looks like this is the correct link:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/06/chi...oyment-of.html
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Old July 5th, 2015, 06:36 AM   #9629
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Wait, this doesn't seem to make much sense.

It seems that since the existing Beijing-Shanghai HSR will already be near capacity in the near future, and that section is shared with the existing Shanghai-Chengdu HSR corridor. The section east of Nanjing would be over capacity much sooner than the rest of the corridor.

I'm not sure how building new parallel lines west of Nanjing would actually alleviate the congestion, if it is as you said that the actual new sections are only between Nanjing and Wanzhou.
There's almost 400 high speed trains running on Beijing-Shanghai HSR every day, but not all the trains are travelling all the way from Beijing to Shanghai or vise versa, the busiest section Xuzhou-Bengbu only sees about 240 of them passing through, and Shanghai-Nanjing section is far from being saturated yet.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 09:42 AM   #9630
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the busiest section Xuzhou-Bengbu only sees about 240 of them passing through, and Shanghai-Nanjing section is far from being saturated yet.
Also remember that Shanghai-Nanjing already does have 2 parallel high speed railways. Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway built for 350 km/h and actually operated at 350 km/h since July 2010, and Shanghai-Nanjing section of Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway, built for 380 km/h and operated at 300 km/h since June 2011. Plus the slow speed railway also sped up to 250 km/h in some sections.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 10:01 AM   #9631
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Subway-style map of China's high-speed rail network makes navigating the country by train easy
http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/04/su...speed_rail.php

**** Even the news is from a few days ago, the map was made as of February 2015, notice the bottom right corner of the map
A sprawling metro map of China's high-speed railway recently emerged online, providing one of the clearest and most beautiful ways by which to visualise the rapidly growing network.
For those planning on travelling around China, the map makes it easy to tell where to hop on and off while you navigate the country by rail. Just don't be fooled by the seemingly short distances between the stations, some are more than several hundred kilometres apart.

Looking at the map, it's hard not to admire the progress China has made in constructing its high-speed rail network. Aside from a few lines upgraded from conventional speeds, most of what you see would not have existed just 10 years ago.

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Old July 5th, 2015, 10:13 AM   #9632
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Subway-style map of China's high-speed rail network makes navigating the country by train easy
http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/04/su...speed_rail.php

A sprawling metro map of China's high-speed railway recently emerged online,
It emerged recently, but it´s February. Hefei-Shangrao-Fuzhou and Xinhuang-Guiyang are missing.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #9633
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Old July 5th, 2015, 07:13 PM   #9634
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Beijing-Nanchang is 1933 km via Changsha (including the inflated length of Beijing-Guangzhou high speed railway - the true length is more like 1826 km) and just 1707 km via Shangrao. Travel time is 9:41 with 18 stops via Changsha (G491) and 9:01 with 17 stops via Shangrao (G33).
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Old July 5th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #9635
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Hengyang-Liuzhou PDL somewhere 40 kilometres south of Guilin
It's been raining a lot for the last couple of months

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Old July 5th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #9636
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Looks to be a pretty area of China. Are these some kind of official photos? They seem to be very professionally made and some are shot from a helicopter which I guess is not something an ordinary rail fan or even a journalist can arrange.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #9637
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China readying deployment of synchronous traction system for high speed rail that would enable 50% faster operation starting around 2018

China has become a world leader in high-speed railway technology with its development of a cutting-edge permanent magnet synchronous traction system that will take bullet trains to an ultrafast 500 kilometers per hour (300 miles per hour).
Which railway lines are suitable for regular scheduled service at 500 km/h?
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Old July 5th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #9638
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Looks to be a pretty area of China. Are these some kind of official photos? They seem to be very professionally made and some are shot from a helicopter which I guess is not something an ordinary rail fan or even a journalist can arrange.
Location of the bridge in the pictures
https://goo.gl/maps/LbNSp

There's hills not far from the bridge in all directions, good pair of sturdy shoes, strong legs, will to ignore insects, plenty patience, passion for the railway and a decent camera are all you need.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #9639
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Looks to be a pretty area of China. Are these some kind of official photos? They seem to be very professionally made and some are shot from a helicopter which I guess is not something an ordinary rail fan or even a journalist can arrange.
You don't need a helicopter. A DJI Phantom 3 is under 8000 kuai (1200 USD), which does 4k photo/video up to 500 meters high. I personally own two of them.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 10:36 PM   #9640
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Ok, didn't think about that possibility. Nor did I know that there are higher hills nearby.

Either way photos are very good. Better than I could make for sure.
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