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Old August 27th, 2015, 07:35 AM   #9901
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When will Poland build your own bullet train lines?? Is the plan on its way like many others??

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Old August 27th, 2015, 09:11 AM   #9902
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And G trains usually have business class, too.

With delays, how many hours on train do win on time?
We typically don't take G trains on long journeys such as Beijing-Guangzhou. It is simply too long a ride (8-10 hours) to find major time savings even if the flight gets delayed 2-3 hours. Beijing-Shanghai is about the breakeven point I think, with a journey time of about 5-6 hours.

This is why the trains that run between Beijing and Guangzhou have many stops to cater for intercity riders that travel among the cities in between. Notice the aren't many that are truly express along this line.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 09:51 AM   #9903
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Beijing-Shanghai is about the breakeven point I think, with a journey time of about 5-6 hours.

This is why the trains that run between Beijing and Guangzhou have many stops to cater for intercity riders that travel among the cities in between. Notice the aren't many that are truly express along this line.
No. There arenīt many expresses Beijing-Shanghai either.
On Beijing-Guangzhou I count 1 express (G79, 8:03, 4 stops) and 4 milk G trains (9:16 to 10:03, 11 to 16 stops).
On Beijing-Shanghai, I count 6 express (G1, G3, G11-G19; 4:48 to 5:16, 1 to 4 stops) and 35 milk G trains (5:21 to 6:00, 5 to 10 stops).
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Old August 27th, 2015, 09:56 AM   #9904
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Not to mention the hassle at the airports with security checks and stuff. I start shaking even from thinking about the airport procedures (unless it's Singapore Changi which is the sole exception from all airports that I have ever been to). China's HSR travel even with 'tough' security procedures (ticket stamping at the station entrance, X-ray, departure/arrival area separation and other arguably unnecessary measures) is easy peasy and pretty much hassle-free (mind you I'm a foreigner who can barely speak/read/write a word in Chinese).
I am not sure what the issue with language is. I don't think its wrong that a person who cannot understand/read/write Chinese would find it tough to get around China. Come on, any countrys transport system is for its citizens-who can read that language. If I moved around China I'd carry a phrasebook of Chinese phrases. When my parents travelled in Paris, it was so tough. Only mom knew French else it was like . Even the newspaper vendor would look away if you asked in English.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 05:04 PM   #9905
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I am not sure what the issue with language is. I don't think its wrong that a person who cannot understand/read/write Chinese would find it tough to get around China. Come on, any countrys transport system is for its citizens-who can read that language. If I moved around China I'd carry a phrasebook of Chinese phrases. When my parents travelled in Paris, it was so tough. Only mom knew French else it was like . Even the newspaper vendor would look away if you asked in English.
You don't need to ask anything from anyone while traveling on CRH services. Everything is explained in multi-lingual signs, noticeboards or interactive screens (including ticket machines). It's usually very intuitive and clearly designed by people who know what they're doing. This is the point of an efficient and modern transportation system: it should all be self-explanatory by simply using visual information that is available. No need to ask anything, hence no need to know the language. Same could be said about metro systems in Chinese cities.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #9906
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And G trains usually have business class, too.

With delays, how many hours on train do win on time?
I should add that it also depends on what traveler we're talking about: business or leisure (including tourist holidays, family visit etc.).

Is there any data on the proportion of business and leisure travelers on CRH ? While business travelers are more likely to prioritize shortest possible journey time (hence more likely to 'gamble' with flights) leisure travelers should be far less concerned about that.

I remember traveling on a D service from Shenzhen to Shanghai last year. It's a 12 hour journey and by any standards a long and supposedly tiring trip. In realty, however, it's very comfortable (especially in 1st class which is still very affordable), smooth and good value for money, offers power supply for every passenger, uninterrupted mobile reception (=internet) and decent food and drink options in the dining carriage and service to your seat. To my own surprise most of the passengers in my coach (which was more or less fully occupied) were traveling the entire distance between Shenzhen and Shanghai including some foreigners who were on a business trip.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #9907
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I should add that it also depends on what traveler we're talking about: business or leisure (including tourist holidays, family visit etc.).

Is there any data on the proportion of business and leisure travelers on CRH ? While business travelers are more likely to prioritize shortest possible journey time (hence more likely to 'gamble' with flights) leisure travelers should be far less concerned about that.

I remember traveling on a D service from Shenzhen to Shanghai last year. It's a 12 hour journey and by any standards a long and supposedly tiring trip. In realty, however, it's very comfortable (especially in 1st class which is still very affordable), smooth and good value for money, offers power supply for every passenger, uninterrupted mobile reception (=internet) and decent food and drink options in the dining carriage and service to your seat. To my own surprise most of the passengers in my coach (which was more or less fully occupied) were traveling the entire distance between Shenzhen and Shanghai including some foreigners who were on a business trip.



Surprisingly, there are still many folks who prefer to take train for 12 hour trip than take airplane. I can understand your choice if the trip goes at night. In other words, you can sleep all the way from Shenzhen to Shanghai. Otherwise, I would still prefer to fly than take a bullet train to cover such a long trip.

Just personal opinion having not had bullet train experience yet.

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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #9908
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Use for night terminating trains?

What is the use of trains that terminate at night?
I found 4 high speed trains Harbin-Beijing which terminate in Beijing at night:
G4722, originates 17:39, terminates Beijing South next day 1:36
G4724, originates 18:41, terminates Beijing South next day 1:52
D4608, originates 18:52, terminates Beijing next day 2:42
D4610, originates 19:22, terminates Beijing next day 3:05.

So, why? Does Beijing subway run to Beijing South and Beijing station at times of 1 to 4 at night?
With 7:11 to 7:57 travel time, it would make sense to have overnight trains, which depart Harbin at 23 or so and arrive in Beijing at 6...7, in order to travel by subway and show up at work somewhere in Beijing at 8.
It would also make sense to have overnight trains which travel direct from Harbin to Shanghai or Xian or Guangzhou, and drop off passengers when they pass Beijing at odd hours of night.
But why terminate services at night?
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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #9909
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I suppose maintenance happens at night after trains stop running?
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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:11 AM   #9910
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I suppose maintenance happens at night after trains stop running?
Yes, but whatīs the point of these trains running into half night then?
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Old August 29th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #9911
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Yes, but whatīs the point of these trains running into half night then?
Seems only 4 trains out of the entire country's schedule. Maybe they purposedly did this to get the trains into position to start the next day's service.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 04:47 PM   #9912
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High speed links to the northeast completed
01 Sep 2015



CHINA: A 210 km rail link to the North Korean border town of Dandong was opened for revenue service on September 1. This is the first of two high speed lines serving the border region that are scheduled to open this year.

Under construction since 2010, the 207 km Shenyang – Dandong line will cut journey times from 3― h to just over 60 min, helping to boost economic competitiveness in the region.

Facing North Korea across the Yalu Jiang, towards the southern end of the border, Dandong is the gateway for around 80% of the trade between the two countries, according to Xinhua. One of three special economic zones developed in North Korea with Chinese support is located at nearby Hwanggumpyong Island, and a new bridge across the river has recently been completed

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Old September 1st, 2015, 07:34 PM   #9913
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the 207 km Shenyang – Dandong line will cut journey times from 3― h to just over 60 min
The fastest slow train seems to be K7377, trip time 3:43. The fastest high speed train seems to be D7623, trip time 1:10.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:48 AM   #9914
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There is now 1 daily train Shanghai-Dandong, number G1232 (note absence of direct slow trains). Trip time 11:04, departs 8:10, arrives 19:14.
As previously observed, Dandong is the first place where CRH reaches border, although as yet does not cross.
China is supposed to be building a CRH to Singapore. Is China also building any CRH across Singapore Strait?
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:02 PM   #9915
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I think China has one of the most developed railway system.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 10:37 PM   #9916
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Travelling the whole 1,083 km between Changsha and Shanghai on the Shanghai-Kunming High Speed Railway:















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Old September 4th, 2015, 04:56 AM   #9917
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doc7austin, Did you take these photos or video yourself or download them online??? Write some words to tell us how you feel about travelling on bullet train, pls.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 03:26 PM   #9918
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doc7austin, Did you take these photos or video yourself or download them online???
Dear BEE2, I have been posting videos and photos of Chinese trains quite often in this forum. You can be sure that I have recorded the videos by myself. Moreover, there are annotations/comments added to the videos, which can be seen on Youtube.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #9919
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Will the Kunming HSR actually finish by January 2016?
Doc, how is the availability of water bottles, hot tea, snacks, meals etc on the trains? Are the staff helpful and polite? Since the train has few stops where does one get regional or local specialities?
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Old September 6th, 2015, 06:36 AM   #9920
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Been a while since I have seen free water being distributed at stations ...
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