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Old September 25th, 2015, 04:47 PM   #10081
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Current schedule shows rush hour frequencies of 4.5-6 minutes while weekends may be up to 10 minutes per train.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #10082
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That is the thing... China is "there". Instead of commuter rail lines in traditional sense (no grade separation, large distances between stops, very low frequency, long reach from city center), it has been building metro lines (grade separation, smaller distance between stops, high frequency and long reach from city center).

If you guys think, for example Beijing subway needs even longer reach then that is High-speed intercity railways.

If you guys think there should be less stops and faster trains in parallel to existing subway lines, that is simply an express metro line which we may see in the future indeed.
It does feel like a compromise though, Beijing, Shanghai and the other cities will ultimately lack the dense transit coverage combined with sparse transit coverage you get with the Paris Metro/RER/Transilien system combination.

I'm still convinced that if there were adequate transit options available, Chinese middle class would be more inclined to buy a house in the suburbs, in the end you can't get away from the fact that no matter the culture, people want as much living space as they can afford, that is the reason people put up with commuting 2-3 hours a day regardless if they live in London or Seoul.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 05:41 PM   #10083
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Hong Kong has very successful commuter rail lines. The West Rail Line and East Rail Line are so popular, that they run at metro frequencies.

Property prices and living space will make people live further away from the city. Commuting every day by commuter rail line is cheaper than getting an apartment if the same size in the city.

I know so many people in Shanghai who would love a commuter rail line alternative to their regular metro line.

Commuter rail lines strengthen the metro network. It's not either/or, but and/and.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #10084
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For the larger cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou, subway connections are available, but they are still a reasonably long ride away but it is nearly impossible to run a new line through densely-built city centres underground. They are trying to do this in Shenzhen and it caused quite some disruption over the past few years.
Which is why existing railway corridors ought to be used first.
How is the current state of progress of Futian Station?
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I personally hated to get to Hongqiao to catch a train, especially since I liked living on the Pudong side. If one was available out of the more urban Shanghai station, I would go for that instead.
Some CRH trains do use Shanghai station - as well as Shanghai West station.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 09:26 AM   #10085
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China approves another 900km of new lines

Source: International Railway Journal | September 28, 2015

CHINA's National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) approved the construction of three new lines representing a total investment of Yuan 109.3bn ($US 17.2bn) on September 28, as the government seeks to reverse a slowdown in economic growth by boosting spending on infrastructure projects.

New Lines:

1) Wuhan to Shiyan in Hebei province

2) Xuzhou East to Huai'an and Yancheng in Jiangsu province

3) Xuyong in Sichuan province to Bijie in neightbouring Guizhou (mixed line)

Read further: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=540

Although I am a big fan of the high speed network in China, I am skeptical of these new plans. They don't seem to run through many major cities (excluding Wuhan) where people will be able to regularly afford these services. Almost looks like malinvestment to try to overcome the economic downturn...
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Old September 29th, 2015, 10:35 AM   #10086
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3) Xuyong in Sichuan province to Bijie in neightbouring Guizhou (mixed line)

Although I am a big fan of the high speed network in China, .
Not only mixed, but top speed 120 km/h... and, for some reason, only 8 passenger trains daily.
Single or double track?
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Old September 29th, 2015, 11:18 AM   #10087
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Source: International Railway Journal | September 28, 2015

CHINA's National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) approved the construction of three new lines representing a total investment of Yuan 109.3bn ($US 17.2bn) on September 28, as the government seeks to reverse a slowdown in economic growth by boosting spending on infrastructure projects.

New Lines:

1) Wuhan to Shiyan in Hebei province

2) Xuzhou East to Huai'an and Yancheng in Jiangsu province

3) Xuyong in Sichuan province to Bijie in neightbouring Guizhou (mixed line)

Read further: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=540

Although I am a big fan of the high speed network in China, I am skeptical of these new plans. They don't seem to run through many major cities (excluding Wuhan) where people will be able to regularly afford these services. Almost looks like malinvestment to try to overcome the economic downturn...
Wuhan to Shiyan line is part of Wuhan-Xian HSL.Xuzhou East to Huai'an and Yancheng line is to solve the lack of railway in North Jiangsu province.Jiangsu is a developed province in China,but there are nearly no railway in North Jiangsu.
and also,the demand for HST in "small city" is huge,too ,like the dandong-Shenyang line,Dandong is a city with 2 million,there are almost 40 pairs of HST between these two cities.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 04:19 PM   #10088
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Xuzhou East to Huai'an and Yancheng line is to solve the lack of railway in North Jiangsu province.Jiangsu is a developed province in China,but there are nearly no railway in North Jiangsu.
The schedule is stated as 4 years, so opening in 2019.
How are the plans to connect North Jiangsu with South Jiangsu?
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Old September 29th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #10089
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The schedule is stated as 4 years, so opening in 2019.
How are the plans to connect North Jiangsu with South Jiangsu?
there will be a line from Yancheng to Shanghai along the coast,and a line from Huaian to Zhenjiang.
yellow Line are all planned
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Old September 30th, 2015, 07:15 AM   #10090
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there will be a line from Yancheng to Shanghai along the coast,and a line from Huaian to Zhenjiang.
yellow Line are all planned
But black lines all exist! The line from Huaian and Yancheng to Wuxi, and to Xuzhou via the Xuzhou-Lianyungang railway.
How fast is the blue line west of Huaian?
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Old September 30th, 2015, 10:22 AM   #10091
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But black lines all exist! The line from Huaian and Yancheng to Wuxi, and to Xuzhou via the Xuzhou-Lianyungang railway.
How fast is the blue line west of Huaian?
black lines are conventional lines,they need HSR now.the blue line you point out is a coal railway,single line,top speed 120km/h and disel.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:06 AM   #10092
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black lines are conventional lines,they need HSR now.
The fastest train Huaian-Xuzhou is currently Z52, covering 220 km and taking 2:23.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 10:13 PM   #10093
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One thing I don't get is if the HSR stations are far from the city, how do you get from the station to the city? Private taxi or bus? Does this not lead to profiteering? Also, doesn't that indirectly reduce the efficiency of the HSR if a lot of time has to be spent commuting after getting down at the station.
Another role of the HSR station is to expand the city area and promote new area economy, though the effect will take years to be visualized.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #10094
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To my understanding the idea is that HSR stations are/will be connected to metro network if one is available in the city. I'm travelling to Nanning on the newly opened HSR line in a couple of weeks time and the only viable solution to get from the Nanning East to the center is by taxi. Metro line will get there next year.
Compare Shin-Yokohama - built on an existing commuter railway.
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Old October 1st, 2015, 05:21 AM   #10095
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But it exploded.
Has it been repaired?
The explosion center

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Old October 1st, 2015, 08:35 AM   #10096
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Old October 1st, 2015, 02:24 PM   #10097
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today is National Day,Lots of people get around by train



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Old October 1st, 2015, 07:38 PM   #10098
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Which station is this? Thanks for posting.
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Old October 1st, 2015, 08:11 PM   #10099
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today is National Day,Lots of people get around by train
Tell me about it
I'm in Shenzhen right now and bought my tickets for Guangzhou and Nanning yesterday. Holy Jesus! Shenzhen North station is crowded as hell, queue for tickets took about 1 hour, crowd management in place with countless security and police officers ( including riot police with their armored vehicle parked near the main entrance). Even with online booking system and ticket machines (massive queues there too) it's a bit of a hassle by the looks of it. I couldn't get the tickets I wanted for specific service between Guangzhou and Nanning 5 days in advance so was more than happy to take another service on that day which was still not fully booked (luckily). What a bad time to take a train in China
Even the new mega-stations and even high-speed CRH services seem to be barely coping with demand around this time. I really can't imagine (and don't even want to think about it) how it used to be when there was no CRH service and no big modern stations. Must have been an utter nightmare for people trying to travel anywhere.
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Which station is this? Thanks for posting.
Zhengzhou Station, Henan Province. Thanks to google image search
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