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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:42 AM   #10541
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Where I live virtually every town above 10,000 inhabitants has a railway station. Sure a density this high is a remnant of pre-automobile conditions, but still...
I think people would go for bus if that rail service is really infrequent given the small population.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 12:12 PM   #10542
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I think people would go for bus if that rail service is really infrequent given the small population.
Fairly frequent service can be offered to small towns. Examples from Germany - in cases where railway had to be actually reactivated:
http://zierke.com/shasta_route/pages/44reactivate.html
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Old December 29th, 2015, 12:22 PM   #10543
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I think people would go for bus if that rail service is really infrequent given the small population.
Probably, but actually those trains are not that infrequent. There are few lines with hourly service, but most have trains every half hour or even more often from early morning till close to midnight.

Just to give you one particularly minor rail example - there is a narrow gauge railway (more like a rural tram) going from a town of 14,000 (Liestal) to a village of just 1,100 (Waldenburg) with 11 intermediate stations. It takes 25 minutes and the service is once in half an hour during low times and once in 15 min during peak time from 6 am till midnight.

Also important to note that long distance intercity buses are not allowed in Switzerland.

P.S. Of course this is just a side note. I'm not advocating for stuff like this to be built in China now.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 12:26 PM   #10544
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What is true in my opinion about pretty much every country is that local trains (<100-150 km) need to be at least once an hour 6am-10pm and of course every day. Otherwise might as well give up and move to buses.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #10545
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What is true in my opinion about pretty much every country is that local trains (<100-150 km) need to be at least once an hour 6am-10pm and of course every day. Otherwise might as well give up and move to buses.
For China the breakpoint for buses is if the traffic condition are bad enough that trains are need just to make time tables. Which usually means a mediums to large city. For town and village, buses are still the preferred method. Since they are flexible (you can have public buses, private buses and even "illegal" mini buses and converter tractor hauling people around in those places. The road these thing are need for truck traffic anyways and that's not include farm equipment that use those roads as well. (you should check the convoys of harvesting combines going from village ti villiage across northern china in aug. sept. time.)

Rail on the otherhand need a centralized control and planning and are i flexible to change. It would be nice to have both rail and road for those villages, but cost vs benifit isn't there and China is not that loaded in money to build them.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:31 PM   #10546
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For China the breakpoint for buses is if the traffic condition are bad enough that trains are need just to make time tables. Which usually means a mediums to large city. For town and village, buses are still the preferred method. Since they are flexible (you can have public buses, private buses and even "illegal" mini buses and converter tractor hauling people around in those places. The road these thing are need for truck traffic anyways and that's not include farm equipment that use those roads as well. (you should check the convoys of harvesting combines going from village ti villiage across northern china in aug. sept. time.)

Rail on the otherhand need a centralized control and planning and are i flexible to change. It would be nice to have both rail and road for those villages, but cost vs benifit isn't there and China is not that loaded in money to build them.
Where are the trains on railways which do exist?
Compare German Haller Willem. Dissen-Osnabrück. Built in 1886. Single track, curvy line. 23 km long.
Train travel time 31-32 minutes. Buses exist on the same route - time 50 minutes:
http://zierke.com/web-page/dissen-osnabrueck
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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #10547
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Surface commuter railways are cheaper to build than subways.
Yes so build the subways when there is the government support and money for them. You know like right now. Save the low hanging fruit that no one has interest in for when the money and motivation for subways runs out.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #10548
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For China the breakpoint for buses is if the traffic condition are bad enough that trains are need just to make time tables. Which usually means a mediums to large city. For town and village, buses are still the preferred method. Since they are flexible (you can have public buses, private buses and even "illegal" mini buses and converter tractor hauling people around in those places. The road these thing are need for truck traffic anyways and that's not include farm equipment that use those roads as well. (you should check the convoys of harvesting combines going from village ti village across northern china in aug. sept. time.)

Rail on the other hand need a centralised control and planning and are i flexible to change. It would be nice to have both rail and road for those villages, but cost vs benefit isn't there and China is not that loaded in money to build them.
True, probably not a priority right now. Advantage of rail however is much higher capacity which might be needed eventually even for a smallish town of 50,000 inhabitants.

It's interesting however that you note inflexibility. There have been studies of this in the West in the context of trams and city buses. Given the choice people prefer a tram over a bus, but why? In turns out that the same inflexibility is a feature, because people are more confident of permanence of the service. Property prices are affected (sometimes by a lot) by how far it is from some kind of rail transport there as buses have no such effect.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 02:52 AM   #10549
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Shenzhen Futian Station opening today

Today is the opening day of Shenzhen Futian underground HSR station, beneath the CBD of Shenzhen. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen HSR line has been extended south from Shenzhen North to Futian in the heart of the city.

Initially there are 11 pairs of trains serving Guangzhou-Futian but this will increase to 23 pairs on 10th January.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 04:07 AM   #10550
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Today is the opening day of Shenzhen Futian underground HSR station, beneath the CBD of Shenzhen. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen HSR line has been extended south from Shenzhen North to Futian in the heart of the city.

Initially there are 11 pairs of trains serving Guangzhou-Futian but this will increase to 23 pairs on 10th January.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 06:17 AM   #10551
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Old December 30th, 2015, 06:29 AM   #10552
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Hainan West coast line open today,High speed rail in China now is more than 19000km.But 2016 and 2017 will be a "trough period" for high speed rail,because there are nearly no new lines constructon between 2011 and 2012,only several new line will open between 2016 and 2017.and from 2018,there is a new peak for high speed rail opening.





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Today is the opening day of Shenzhen Futian underground HSR station, beneath the CBD of Shenzhen. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen HSR line has been extended south from Shenzhen North to Futian in the heart of the city.

Initially there are 11 pairs of trains serving Guangzhou-Futian but this will increase to 23 pairs on 10th January.
How many trains are serving Futian-beyond Guangzhou?
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:47 PM   #10554
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None at the moment. Trains to beyond Guangzhou will eventually be added.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 01:57 PM   #10555
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Chengdu-Chongqing HSR(300km/h,308KM)
The trip time Chengdu-Chongqing seems to be 1:28 nonstop.
Ticket price second class 154 yuan, first class 246 yuan 5 jiao, business class 462 yuan 5 jiao.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 04:32 PM   #10556
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Futian - Shenzhen North Station Section opened today

















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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:54 PM   #10557
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Jinhua-Wenzhou railway(200km/h,251KM), open today.
Which is now faster: Hangzhou-Wenzhou via Yiwu, or Hangzhou-Wenzhou via Ningbo?
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Old December 31st, 2015, 03:17 PM   #10558
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Excluding Japan, this is the world's only station with platform screen doors
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Tianjin – Baoding high-speed line opens
Thursday, December 31, 2015



COMMERCIAL services began on the 157.9km Tianjin - Baoding high-speed line on December 28, closing an important gap in the high-speed network south of Beijing

The line enables passengers travelling from cities in the northeast such as Changchun, Shenyang, and Qinhuangdao to reach destinations in southeastern China without passing through the capital

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The fastest train Tianjin West-Baoding East is G6279, 55 minutes nonstop. Ticket price second class 57 yuan 5 jiao, first class 92 yuan, business class 175 yuan. Total 4 trains daily.
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