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Old January 3rd, 2016, 11:05 PM   #10581
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Found CRH380D on Taobao website, mentions Zefiro 380. It's in Chinese.
Price is 1380 rmb, or $210.93 USD. Not sure about the shipping but I think it's 90rmb/kg from Beijing to US.
Should try Taobao again and search for CRH380D. Sells for $210.93 USD, webpage mentions Zefiro 380, so I'm sure it's the right one.

My post count is still below 10 and can't include the full link but the item number in the link is 45191595566
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 11:39 PM   #10582
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so i do see one that is 1/87 scale....guess that's the trouble....I was looking for n scale...I want to power it for my RR layout...not sure if even the 1:87 scale one is available
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 11:46 PM   #10583
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http://tw.taobao.com/item/4519159556...372-PV895_2351


but i cant navigate the site.. i tried the translator, but it doesnt allow to buy it...so frustrating
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Old January 4th, 2016, 12:09 AM   #10584
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http://tw.taobao.com/item/4519159556...372-PV895_2351


but i cant navigate the site.. i tried the translator, but it doesnt allow to buy it...so frustrating

I remember there are some third party websites can buy it for you on taobao, and ship it to you. You can pay them via PayPal. Try google
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Old January 4th, 2016, 12:20 AM   #10585
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I must be as dumb as a rock then,
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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:10 AM   #10586
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I must be as dumb as a rock then,
http://wanxuda.cn.makepolo.com/ is the website of a manufacturer of CRH380D,their number 010 88232425,if you have any friend in Beijing,you can ask him for a help
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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:33 AM   #10587
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thank you very much...hope this works...now to find someone that can help me talk with this manufacturer
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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:13 AM   #10588
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Environmental factors play a role, with weather, pollution, crossing multiple construction zones as stations are rebuilt and the sheer length of mileage each unit travels each day all adding up for dirty trains.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:16 AM   #10589
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I wonder how often those trains are getting washed? Many CRH train photos that we see show dirty trains. Don't they have washing facilities? Are they trying to save on that? Or perhaps there are other reasons?
The bad air quality




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Old January 4th, 2016, 11:07 AM   #10590
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The bad air quality




A great example of a picture being worth a thousand words. While I love travelling across China by train, so I can see the countryside as I go by, sometimes the grey grittiness starts to wear me down after a while.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 04:09 PM   #10591
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China plans to invest $538 bln in railway in 5 years

http://www.ecns.cn/business/2016/01-04/194605.shtml
http://companies.caixin.com/2016-01-04/100895351.html
http://english.caixin.com/2016-01-04/100895761.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...n-in-new-track

China is going to invest at least 3.8 trillion yuan ($538 billion) in new railway construction in the country's 13th Five Year Plan (2016-2020), Caixin Media reported.

The ambitious plan aims to boost China's railroad to a record 150,000 kilometers(120,000 now) and high-speed rail to 30,000 kilometers(19,000 now), it said, citing a draft proposal by transportation authorities.

The government tends to be conservative in its estimates in these draft, said an official from the China Railway Corp. (CRC), operator of the rail network. The final investment plan could surpass 4 trillion yuan, he said. Planners believe China must continue expanding the network because it lags developed countries in terms of mileage per capita, said one of the people.

The railway network would link any major city with a population over 200,000 and reduce the commuting time among them to 1 to 8 hours. HSR network would link any city with a population over 500,000, according to the proposal.

Over 44 high speed routes are designed to expand the high-speed rail network, with priority going to links from Beijing to Shenyang, Northeast Liaoning province; from Taiyuan, North Shanxi province to Zhengzhou, Central Henan province and lines in the Midwestern provinces.

Some 5,000 kilometers of inter-city high-speed rail will be constructed to connect populous regions, with priority going to the economic hubs of Beijing, Tianjin and neighboring Hebei Province; the Yangtze River Delta; and the Pearl River Delta.

Another 800 billion yuan will be spent on research, buying new train carriages and equipping all passenger trains with air conditioning, according to the document.

An possible high-speed railway to run beneath China's Bohai Sea may also be taken into consideration.

It now takes over 10 hours to travel the over-1,000-kilometer land route between Lushun and Penglai, which are separated by the Bohai Sea and located on the Liaodong and Shandong peninsulas, respectively.

The proposed underwater high-speed railway is likely to shorten the distance to over 100 kilometers while the travel time would be reduced to 40-50 minutes.

China spent 820 billion yuan ($126 billion) on rail projects in 2015 and put more than 9,000 kilometers of new track into operation, exceeding its annual targets of 800 billion yuan investment and 8,000 kilometers of new lines, according to China Railway Corporation.

With a newly completed high-speed railway track in southern Hainan province, China now has 19,000 kilometers of high-speed rail.

About 3.5 trillion yuan was spent in the 2010-15 period, data released by the CRC on December 30 show.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #10592
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The ambitious plan aims to boost China's railroad to a record 150,000 kilometers(120,000 now) and high-speed rail to 30,000 kilometers(19,000 now), it said, citing a draft proposal by transportation authorities.

The government tends to be conservative in its estimates in these draft, said an official from the China Railway Corp. (CRC), operator of the rail network. The final investment plan could surpass 4 trillion yuan, he said. Planners believe China must continue expanding the network because it lags developed countries in terms of mileage per capita, said one of the people.
A developed country, Switzerland, has 8 million people and 4600 km railways.
China, with 170 times the population of Switzerland, needs 800 000 km railways, not 150 000 km.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:05 AM   #10593
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A developed country, Switzerland, has 8 million people and 4600 km railways.
China, with 170 times the population of Switzerland, needs 800 000 km railways, not 150 000 km.
China really doesn't need 800 000 km of railways. There are other more efficient means of transportation, such as airlines, for longer distances. Switzerland is only about 350 km at it's widest length and it's not worth flying in most cases; whereas China is over 5000 km wide.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:36 AM   #10594
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China really doesn't need 800 000 km of railways. There are other more efficient means of transportation, such as airlines, for longer distances. Switzerland is only about 350 km at it's widest length and it's not worth flying in most cases; whereas China is over 5000 km wide.
And most travel is between nearby places. And people who do fly need railways to travel to and from airports.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:58 AM   #10595
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A developed country, Switzerland, has 8 million people and 4600 km railways.
China, with 170 times the population of Switzerland, needs 800 000 km railways, not 150 000 km.
Have you considered frequency, capacity, and the nature of the railways needed? Does China need Swiss cog rails that make up part of that total figure? I don't see how that number has any relevance to the Chinese context.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 08:05 AM   #10596
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The railway network would link any major city with a population over 200,000 and reduce the commuting time among them to 1 to 8 hours. HSR network would link any city with a population over 500,000,
8 hours commuting time to where?
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Old January 5th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #10597
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More importantly than that >80% of Swiss railways were built before WWI when railways had near monopoly in moving people and goods. England had a similar railway density only they closed most lines in 50-ties and 60-ties where as Switzerland did not. Looks smart now when rail transport has become popular again in developed countries.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 11:40 AM   #10598
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Does China need Swiss cog rails that make up part of that total figure?
Probably not as much. Note that Hong Kong has, for some reason, funicular rather than cog railways.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #10599
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Old January 5th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #10600
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Some 5,000 kilometers of inter-city high-speed rail will be constructed to connect populous regions, with priority going to the economic hubs of Beijing, Tianjin and neighboring Hebei Province; the Yangtze River Delta; and the Pearl River Delta.
Once this is done, it will basically create a high speed commuter rail. There will multiple corridors with parallel lines.
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