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Old February 3rd, 2016, 08:16 PM   #10681
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and the Z201.
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Note the Beijing-Sanya Z201 takes the train ferry from the mainland, then goes down the eastern HSR line. This train used to have a T number.
Note that it makes only one stop. I see lack of number or K trains serving local stations on Western Ring slow speed railways.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 04:54 AM   #10682
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Note that [Z201] makes only one stop. I see lack of number or K trains serving local stations on Western Ring slow speed railways.
The timing of Z201 has changed, it used to stop only to allow the first D train from Haikou to catch up and pass (& the last one from Sanya at night), no passenger pickup or putdown allowed. No need for any K trains on western line now there's HSR. IIRC there was only one slow train per day after the eastern line opened. Presumably there are still goods services on the west line, and perhaps one could accompany goods or otherwise hitch a ride. I'm not living in Hainan for now, so finding the real answer is not so easy.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 10:13 AM   #10683
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Reaching Pearl River Delta

Note that although Futian Station has been opened, there is no service whatsoever to Futian from anywhere beyond Guangzhou South.
Current frequencies:
Changsha South-Guangzhou North: 18 G trains daily
Changsha South-Guangzhou South: 110 G trains daily
Changsha South-Shenzhen North: 41 G trains daily

Wuhan-Guangzhou North: 6 G trains daily
Wuhan-Guangzhou South: 55 G trains daily
Wuhan-Shenzhen North: 18 G trains daily

Zhengzhou-Guangzhou North: 2 G trains daily
Zhengzhou-Guangzhou South: 4 D and 23 G trains daily
Zhengzhou-Shenzhen North: 3 D and 8 G trains daily

Shijiazhuang-Guangzhou North: -
Shijiazhuang-Guangzhou South: 7 D and 6 G trains daily
Shijiazhuang-Shenzhen North: 4 D and 2 G trains daily

Beijing-Guangzhou North: -
Beijing-Guangzhou South: 7 D and 4 G trains daily
Beijing-Shenzhen North: 4 D and 1 G train daily

Taiyuan-Guangzhou North: -
Taiyuan-Guangzhou South: 1 G train daily
Taiyuan-Shenzhen North: -

Xian-Guangzhou North: 2 G trains daily
Xian-Guangzhou South: 8 G trains daily
Xian-Shenzhen North: 3 G trains daily

Hefei-Guangzhou North: -
Hefei-Guangzhou South: 2 G trains daily via Wuhan, 1 via Nanchang
Hefei-Shenzhen North: 1 G train daily via Wuhan, 1 via Fuzhou

Jinan-Guangzhou North: -
Jinan-Guangzhou South: 2 G trains daily
Jinan-Shenzhen North: 1 G train daily

Qingdao-Guangzhou North: -
Qingdao-Guangzhou South: 1 G train daily
Qingdao-Shenzhen North: -

Nanchang-Guangzhou North: 1 G train daily
Nanchang-Guangzhou South: 13 G trains daily
Nanchang-Shenzhen North: 2 G trains daily via Changsha and 1 D train daily via Xiamen

Nanjing-Guangzhou North: -
Nanjing-Guangzhou South: -
Nanjing-Shenzhen North: 2 D trains daily

Hangzhou-Guangzhou North: -
Hangzhou-Guangzhou South: 6 G trains and 3 D trains daily
Hangzhou-Shenzhen North: 12 D trains daily

Shanghai-Guangzhou North: -
Shanghai-Guangzhou South: 5 G and 3 D trains daily
Shanghai-Shenzhen North: 11 D trains daily

Yichang-Guangzhou North: -
Yichang-Guangzhou South: 5 G trains daily
Yichang-Shenzhen North: 2 G trains daily

Chongqing-Guangzhou North: -
Chongqing-Guangzhou South: 3 G trains daily
Chongqing-Shenzhen North: 1 G train daily

Chengdu-Guangzhou North: -
Chengdu-Guangzhou South: 2 G trains daily
Chengdu-Shenzhen North: -

Huaihua-Guangzhou North: 1 G train daily
Huaihua-Guangzhou South: 6 G trains daily
Huaihua-Shenzhen North: 4 G trains daily

Guilin-Guangzhou South: 31 D trains and 3 G trains daily
Guilin-Shenzhen North: 3 G trains daily

Guiyang-Guangzhou South: 19 D trains and 1 G train daily
Guiyang-Shenzhen North: 1 G train daily

Wuzhou-Guangzhou South: 42 D trains and 3 G trains daily
Wuzhou-Shenzhen North: 3 G trains daily

Nanning-Guangzhou South: 37 D trains and 3 G trains daily
Nanning-Shenzhen North: 3 G trains daily

Baise-Guangzhou South: 2 D trains daily
Baise-Shenzhen North: -

Beihai-Guangzhou South: 5 D trains daily
Beihai-Shenzhen North: -

Looking at the map of major origins outside Pearl River delta, you may notice a consistent pattern: a disproportionately small fraction of direct trains which arrive in Guangzhou South proceed to Shenzhen North. Shenzhen is grossly underserved by HSR. Reason - Guangzhou railway bureau consists of swine. And none at all proceed to Futian. Same reason.

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Old February 4th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #10684
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^ That is because Futian is not designed to be a terminus, so trains cannot quickly turnaround. The whole line is not open yet, so that station runs under capacity.

Meanwhile, there are far more connections from the main Shenzhen station to Guangzhou East. Shenzhen is not under-served by HSR.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 06:54 PM   #10685
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Meanwhile, there are far more connections from the main Shenzhen station to Guangzhou East. Shenzhen is not under-served by HSR.
Guangzhou East, and thence to where?

Guangzhou South is something like 20 km from central Guangzhou
Guangzhou North is just 27 km from central Guangzhou.

Why do so few trains serve Guangzhou North?
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Old February 5th, 2016, 04:56 AM   #10686
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Guangzhou East, and thence to where?

Guangzhou South is something like 20 km from central Guangzhou
Guangzhou North is just 27 km from central Guangzhou.

Why do so few trains serve Guangzhou North?
If you are looking at connectivity to further points north to Beijing, you should make the comparison after the line is completed when the HK section opens in a few years. No point in wondering why GZ South and GZ North are under-utilized when the shovels are still on the ground for the rest of the line.

Meanwhile, GZ East is bursting with frequencies, and is well-connected to the new CBD in Tianhe / Zhujiang New Town.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 07:31 AM   #10687
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If you are looking at connectivity to further points north to Beijing, you should make the comparison after the line is completed when the HK section opens in a few years. No point in wondering why GZ South and GZ North are under-utilized when the shovels are still on the ground for the rest of the line.
I do not know whether Guangzhou South is underutilized, but my point is that Shenzhen North, Futian and Guangzhou North are underserved compared to Guangzhou South.
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Meanwhile, GZ East is bursting with frequencies, and is well-connected to the new CBD in Tianhe / Zhujiang New Town.
And is just 8 km from Guangzhou, in contrast to Guangzhou South which is what, 20 km straight line and 74 km by rail. And is actually connected to Guangzhou. Where a lot of high speed trains from Shenzhen do go on.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 01:02 PM   #10688
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I do not know whether Guangzhou South is underutilized, but my point is that Shenzhen North, Futian and Guangzhou North are underserved compared to Guangzhou South.
All those stations are along the same uncompleted line. Wait a few more years then make a more realistic comparison.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #10689
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CRH1A(ZEFIRO 250)EMU, a new generation of CRH1A EMU , which bombardier designed from ZEFIRO high speed train . 8 -car-train , 2 doors per side of a car , made by Aluminum alloy
, ability to carry 613 passengers , the highest speed : 250KM/H

First commercial run in 1st Feb , in GuangZhu inter-city line.

Photo by @YJC







First class seat


Second class seat


Folded seat near the door


In Guangzhou south station




Together with previous version of CRH1
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Old February 5th, 2016, 05:00 PM   #10690
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CRH1A(ZEFIRO 250)EMU, a new generation of CRH1A EMU , which bombardier designed from ZEFIRO high speed train . 8 -car-train , 2 doors per side of a car , made by Aluminum alloy
, ability to carry 613 passengers , the highest speed : 250KM/H

First commercial run in 1st Feb , in GuangZhu inter-city line.
...top speed supposedly 200 km/h. Well, even nonstop trains take 53 minutes for 116 km, so that 200 km/h is suspect as well.
At least, there finally are trains from Zhuhai past Guangzhou South... grand total 2 daily.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 10:07 PM   #10691
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...top speed supposedly 200 km/h. Well, even nonstop trains take 53 minutes for 116 km, so that 200 km/h is suspect as well.
At least, there finally are trains from Zhuhai past Guangzhou South... grand total 2 daily.
That's average of 131 km/h, which is reasonable for a line with 200km maximum accelerations and deceleration curves near end stations. It take 2 minutes for train to get to 200 km/h running full blast, which I doubt they'll do in real life. Also, based my experience riding trains in China, it's not usually for the train to just at 60 to 120 km/h for ~5 minutes after leaving the station, and before arriving at the station, when the train is usually in heavily build up areas with residential tower built near the tracks. It could be related to noise regulations, not sure. Only when train cleared those area would it actually accelerate to max speed. I would imagine the train needs to slow down when it is passing through Zhongshan as well.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #10692
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Drone footage: Chinese rush back home by train

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Old February 8th, 2016, 08:38 PM   #10693
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Happy Monkey Year!

Have any passenger count records been set on the way home for New Year?
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Old February 12th, 2016, 02:04 AM   #10694
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CRH1A(ZEFIRO 250)EMU, a new generation of CRH1A EMU , which bombardier designed from ZEFIRO high speed train . 8 -car-train , 2 doors per side of a car , made by Aluminum alloy
, ability to carry 613 passengers , the highest speed : 250KM/H

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Together with previous version of CRH1
Curious, any idea why they decided to reuse the CRH1A designation? I would have thought they would have made it a different letter, like CRH1C, CRH1D..., I know there is also a CRH1B and CRH1E.
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Old February 14th, 2016, 11:35 AM   #10695
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A chart from Chinese version Wikipedia page of CRH trains

There mainly are 9 types of train classified by the numbers of cars of a train and speed . (except CRH380 and CJ1)



A = 200~250km/h ; 8-car seat train ; CRH1A\2A\5A\6A

B = 200~250km/h ; 16-car seat train ; CRH1B\2B

C = 300~350km/h ; 8-car seat train ; CRH2C\3C

D = 300~350km/h ; 16-car seat train ; none yet

E = 200~250km/h ; 8-car sleeper train(with 2 seat cars in 8) ; CRH1E/2E

F = 160km/h ; 8-car intercity train (commute version) ; CRH6F

G = 200~250 ; Cold resistant 8-car seat train ; CRH2G/5G (For the deep cold in North of China)

H = 200~250 km/h ; Anti-sandstorm and Cold resistant 8-car train ; CRH2H (missed in the chart) (this train mainly run in the Northwest of China)

S = 140 km/h ; 4-car intercity train (commute version) ; CRH6S

For CRH380 series , which could run 350~380 km/h , there are 4 types :

(No letter) = 8-car seat train ; CRH380A/B/D (there is no CRH380C at the moment)

G = Cold resistant 8-car seat train ; CRH380BG

H = Anti-sandstorm and Cold resistant 8-car train ; none yet

L = 16-car seat train ; 380AL/BL/CL (there is no CRH380DL at the moment)
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There mainly are 9 types of train classified by the numbers of cars of a train and speed . (except CRH380 and CJ1)
F = 160km/h ; 8-car intercity train (commute version) ; CRH6F
S = 140 km/h ; 4-car intercity train (commute version) ; CRH6S
In other words, China has 140 km/h high speed trains.
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In other words, China has 140 km/h high speed trains.

Technically they would be considered metros train based on CRH design. But, yes. It would be interesting how they will operated, would it be rail corp or city metro authority.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 02:25 AM   #10698
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In CNY travel rush, how engineers secure 19,000km high-speed rail?



This is Wuhan Railway station, major high-speed railway transportation hub in central China.

Su Wenzheng, a train engineer who just took the job this year, spent his first Spring Festival Eve, or the Lunar New Year Eve, after graduation in the station.

According to Su, every high-speed train usually has 8 carriages, requiring 4 to 5 engineers to work at the same time.
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In CNY travel rush, how engineers secure 19,000km high-speed rail?
This is Wuhan Railway station, major high-speed railway transportation hub in central China.

Su Wenzheng, a train engineer who just took the job this year, spent his first Spring Festival Eve, or the Lunar New Year Eve, after graduation in the station.

According to Su, every high-speed train usually has 8 carriages, requiring 4 to 5 engineers to work at the same time.
But this does not address the question: how they secure 19 000 km of rail? They are shown in station, working at trains, not travelling the tracks.
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Old February 16th, 2016, 02:39 PM   #10700
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There are teams that checking tracks after the last train . I think the video focus on the train maintaining .
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