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Old May 27th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #10821
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Money does not cause 'inflation' - scarcity does.


in this context, it's PQ=MV. If you are arbitrarily increase money supply, M, without corresponding decrease in Velocity or Quantity of goods produced. There will be more inflation. What is China did in the last few year was both dramatically invest in production capacity, thus flood the market with good, keeping prices down; as well as guide most of the liquidity into real estate and construction, both long term activities, which decrease velocity. Which is why China had huge increases in money supply, yet the price pressures are deflationary.
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Old May 30th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #10822
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Old May 31st, 2016, 08:08 PM   #10823
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It's just unprofitable.
it is not intended to be profitable. China has been heavily investing in infrastructures to reap economic and social benefits, which generally do not appear on the projects direct operational account books.

Think of a shopping center building bigger parking lots and better roads around it, when the existing ones are so old/crowded that they are hindering the progress. The infrastructure will never make direct money as they are free to use, but they offer better access and attract more people to come shopping.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 04:41 AM   #10824
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When the Americans built the Interstate system, I doubt their primary intentions were hoping to make a profit out of it. Big infrastructure projects are not designed to be directly profitable.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 07:27 AM   #10825
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It's just unprofitable.
The strategy for public infrastructure has little to do with creating profit in mind. By building Chinese high-speed railways, capacity has been created on the conventional railways for extra freight movements which improves the overall economy. It also takes pressure off the developing air travel sector in China, which is already struggling to meet the demand with increased passenger numbers. It would have been impossible for airlines alone to deliver travel times and standards equivalent to many developed Western economies, which would hamper further economic growth.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 11:50 AM   #10826
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A newer north south route is soon to begin construction. It will prove to be a much shorter route from HK to Beijing and Shanghai, rather than via the current line which serves several larger population areas and so was constructed first.

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Route of Ganzhou-SZ rail decided
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Shenzhen Daily
June 1st, 2016



THE route of the Guangdong section of the Ganzhou-Shenzhen High-speed Railway has been decided and work will start this year, according to a notice on the official website of the Guangzhou Public Resources Trade Center.

The notice showed that the 432-kilometer rail line will start from Ganzhou West Station in Jiangxi Province and go southward through Xinfeng, Longnan, Dingnan, Longchuan, Dongyuan, Heyuan, Boluo, Huizhou and Tangxia in Dongguan before it connects with Shenzhen North Railway Station.

The rail line is designed to run at a speed of 350 kilometers per hour with 12 stations. It will cut the trip between Shenzhen and Ganzhou to two hours when the rail line is finished in 2020. Investment is estimated at 66 billion yuan (US$10 billion).

The Ganzhou-Shenzhen high-speed rail line is part of the high-speed Nanchang-Shenzhen line, which will span 840 kilometers from Nanchang to Shenzhen. Travel time between the two cities could be cut to less than four hours after the railway is completed in 2020. It will also be connected with the Xiamen-Shenzhen railway to allow access to coastal Fujian cities. The Shenzhen-Nanchang line is part of the Beijing-Kowloon High-speed Passenger Line and will play a significant role in stimulating development of northern Guangdong and Jiangxi.

The 2,400-kilometer Beijing-Kowloon High-speed Passenger Line starts from Beijing and will go south through Hebei, Shandong, Henan, Anhui, Hubei, Jiangxi and Guangdong, before ending in Hong Kong.

With the completion of the Beijing-Kowloon high-speed railway, it will take only about seven hours to go to Beijing from Shenzhen. Currently, it takes about 10.5 hours to travel to Beijing from Shenzhen on the other high-speed railway going through Guangzhou.
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Old June 5th, 2016, 09:47 PM   #10827
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It looks like Xi is questioning the wisdom of HSR speed reduction and asking the possibly of returning to 350 km/h and 250 km/hr speeds.

http://m.guancha.cn/Industry/2016_06_05_362962.shtml
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Old June 5th, 2016, 10:06 PM   #10828
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Currently, it takes about 10.5 hours to travel to Beijing from Shenzhen on the other high-speed railway going through Guangzhou.
Its more 8.5 hours today.
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Old June 5th, 2016, 10:13 PM   #10829
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Its more 8.5 hours today.
No. For Shenzhen to Beijing, more 10,5 hours. Specifically 10:15, with G80.
8,5 hours actually applies for Beijing to Shenzhen: 8:35, with G79.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 11:29 AM   #10830
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No. For Shenzhen to Beijing, more 10,5 hours. Specifically 10:15, with G80.
8,5 hours actually applies for Beijing to Shenzhen: 8:35, with G79.
Yes, but CRH is able to offer SZ-BJ in 8.5 hours. The infrastructure is there.
Thus, the sentence in the article is a bit disingenuous.

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With the completion of the Beijing-Kowloon high-speed railway, it will take only about seven hours to go to Beijing from Shenzhen. Currently, it takes about 10.5 hours to travel to Beijing from Shenzhen on the other high-speed railway going through Guangzhou.
The new SZ-Nanchang-BJ high speed railway will knock off about one hour of travel time between SZ-SH and SZ-BJ, because currently all trains have to detour via GZ and Changsha.

The main advantage of the SZ-Nanchang-BJ high speed railway will be capacity. This is not so much mentioned in the article.
The new high speed railway could absorb a lot of trains from the Pearl River Delta to North China (esp. BJ), thus it frees up capacity on the existing GZ-Wuhan-BJ high speed railway. That capacity can be used to speed up existing services (e.g. GZ-Xian etc). Moreover, the new high speed railway can absorb high speed trains from Fujian Province to North China, which today has to find the right slots on the overcrowded SH-BJ high speed railway.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #10831
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I wonder if this will be eventually renamed Shenzhen West with the closure of the conventional rail station. I can see how Qianhai and further Nanshan developments deserve a regional high-speed commuter station.

There was also a story about a new extra station in Guangming too, on the Shenzhen-Ganzhou HSR. I would expect this to be another regional commuter stop.

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New railway hub planned for Xili
Shenzhen Daily
06 June 2016
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A NEW railway transportation hub is planned to be built in Xili, Nanshan District, to serve the future Coastal Passenger Special Line and the Shenzhen-Maoming High-speed Railway.

The plan has been approved by the city government, the city’s urban planning, land and resources commission said in a letter, responding to suggestions by lawmakers recently.

The commission started planning the layout of national railways in Shenzhen last year. In the plan, the city put forward a rail network with north-south lines including Beijing-Guangzhou-Shenzhen Passenger Special Line, Ganzhou-Shenzhen Special Passenger Line, Beijing-Kowloon High-speed Railway and the Guangzhou-Shenzhen inter-city rail, as well as three east-west lines, including the Xiamen-Shenzhen railway, the Shenzhen-Maoming railway and Coastal Passenger Special Line.

“Shenzhen will add Jichangdong (Airport East) Station and Xili Station to the existing railway network to make sure the balance in east, central and west areas,” the commission said.

The city’s railway network will have four major stations including Shenzhen North Railway Station, Shenzhen Railway Station, Jichangdong (Airport East) Station and Pingshan Station. It will be supported by four auxiliary stations including Futian Station, Xili Station, Shenzhen East Railway Station and Pinghu Station.

“As an economic center, Shenzhen needs a railway transportation hub in its western area,” Li Jichao and 34 other lawmakers said in a joint proposal at the city legislature’s annual session earlier this year.

The lawmakers suggested turning the present Xili Station into a railway transportation hub.

Coastal Passenger Special Line was put forward by related Central Government agencies when planning China’s railway network in 2008. The line basically runs parallel to the Hangzhou-Fuzhou-Shenzhen high-speed rail line, linking the Yangtze River Delta region with the Pearl River Delta region via Shanghai, Ningbo, Wenzhou, Fuzhou, Xiamen and Guangdong’s coastal cities.

During the annual session of the National People’s Congress earlier this year, lawmakers from Shenzhen suggested bringing the railway to Shenzhen and starting construction as early as possible.

Trains on the rail will run at 350 kilometers per hour and it will take about two hours to go from Shenzhen to Xiamen and six hours to Shanghai. It now takes about 3.5 hours to travel between Shenzhen and Xiamen for trains to run on the Xiamen-Shenzhen railway.

Xili Station will be a transportation hub integrating the national railway, inter-city railway, as well as Metro and bus services.

The plan needs approvals and support from the Guangdong Provincial Government and China Railway Corp. The city government coordinated the plan with upper-level authorities, the commission said.
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Newly-built Urumqi High-speed Rail Station to put into service
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Photo taken on May 26, 2016 shows the interior view of the waiting hall of the newly-built Urumqi High-speed Rail Station in Urumqi, capital of Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region. The new station will put into service on June. [Photo/Xinhua]


Workers walk past the ticket entrance in the waiting hall of the newly-built Urumqi High-speed Rail Station in Urumqi, capital of Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, May 26, 2016.[Photo/Xinhua]


A journalist takes video in the waiting hall of the newly-built Urumqi High-speed Rail Station in Urumqi, capital of Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, May 26, 2016. [Photo/Xinhua]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_25495854.htm
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Old June 6th, 2016, 11:00 PM   #10833
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The new SZ-Nanchang-BJ high speed railway will knock off about one hour of travel time between SZ-SH and SZ-BJ, because currently all trains have to detour via GZ and Changsha.
The fastest train Nanchang-Beijing, G489, takes 8:00, and goes via Changsha.
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Old June 7th, 2016, 03:13 AM   #10834
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The area around Urumqi station is undergoing a massive construction boom on Google Earth.
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Old June 7th, 2016, 06:19 PM   #10835
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The area around Urumqi station is undergoing a massive construction boom on Google Earth.
Yes, this type of building boom happens around new stations. They turn their surroundings to prime locations.
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Old June 7th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #10836
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CHINA | High Speed Rail

CRC chief responded there is no technical or safety reasons holding back return to 350 km/hr operation and and whether to return to 350km/hr operation will be a business case review.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/20...1119007353.htm


there is quite a few high profile news on this front, first NPC congress this year, then Xi, then this. Perhaps we'll see 350 km/hr again later this year?
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:15 AM   #10839
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It is nice to see this station renovated and improved, rather than being smashed down and replaced by a new building, as is the case in some much of China.

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Pinghu station nears completion
Shenzhen Daily
21st June 2016


THE renovation of the century-old Pinghu Railway Station will be completed in July.

It will be used to serve intercity bullet trains between Shenzhen and Guangzhou. The schedule will be announced by the China Railway Corp.

In the future, the railway station will serve travelers to Shantou, Chaozhou and Xiamen. The Huizhou-Shenzhen intercity rail will be linked with Pinghu station through Nanping railway, which links Qianhai and Pinghu. The Shenzhen section of the rail runs 70 kilometers with 10 stations.

The Pinghu station will be expanded into a transport hub, where Metro Line 10, which links to Futian Checkpoint, and Metro Line 13, which links to the airport area, will meet.

In the future, travelers will be able to reach Futian in 20 minutes by taking Line 10, or reach Luohu in 20 minutes by taking Line 17. They can get to Qianhai in 30 minutes by taking trains to Nanshan and Qianhai.

In 2014, the Guangzhou-Shenzhen Railway Co. decided to renovate the century-old station which had been inactive for eight years. The station is expected to boost the economy in Pinghu, home to China South City, the Hi-Green Agricultural Produce Market, the Finance and Modern Service Base and Egongling High-tech Industrial Park. The number of people living in Pinghu and neighboring Fenggang and Guanlan is about 1.7 million.

For residents who live in Longgang and want to go to Guangzhou, the opening of the station could save about one hour.

Currently travelers in Longgang need to take public transportation to the Shenzhen Railway Station in Luohu before heading to Guangzhou.

Huang Xiang, a deputy with the Shenzhen Municipal People’s Congress, proposed renovating Pinghu station and connecting it with the Guangzhou-Shenzhen rail. This could relieve Pinghu traffic pressure and be helpful in promoting the integration of Shenzhen, Dongguan and Huizhou.

Pinghu station was put into use in October 1911, when the Guangzhou-Kowloon rail was put into operation. The service was suspended in 2006.

In another development, rapid rail transit between Pingshan and Futian will start this July, cutting the trip between the two areas within 30 minutes.

This will be the second rapid rail transit after Xiamen-Shenzhen Railway Co. opened the service between Pingshan and Longhua in September last year.

During a radio show, Tao Yongxin, head of the Pingshan New Area Administration Committee, revealed Metro lines 16 and 14 are part of the Metro construction Phase IV. Tao also said three expressways, including the Eastern Border Crossing Expressway, Phase III of Nanping Expressway and Outer Ring Expressway, will finish construction and open to traffic in 2018.

(Han Ximin)
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 09:13 AM   #10840
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It is nice to see this station renovated and improved, rather than being smashed down and replaced by a new building, as is the case in some much of China.
Also China is short of railway stations. How about the other stations between Shenzhen and Guangzhou?
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