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Old July 16th, 2016, 06:25 PM   #10861
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Old July 18th, 2016, 11:10 AM   #10862
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Hi guys,

Question to our Chinese friends following this forum.

Could you please post ink to the newest version of this CHSR map:
tieba.baidu.com/p/3434786947[/

Undoubtedly the best map that's out there.
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Old July 18th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #10863
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Old July 19th, 2016, 01:51 PM   #10864
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What is the total length of a standard CRH train?
The earlier models all seem to conform to an unwritten standard of about 200m for 8 car train sets and about 400m for 16 car sets, likely because they were based on existing models.
Some newer domestic models are slightly longer though; a 16 car CRH380DL is 428m long for instance.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 12:14 AM   #10865
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I love the look of those two new train types? What do these new types offer to the CRH network that the existing 350kmh+ trains cannot provide? I don't know much about these trains and would like to know more about the CRH-0207 and it's golden friend CRH-0503.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 02:47 AM   #10866
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I love the look of those two new train types? What do these new types offer to the CRH network that the existing 350kmh+ trains cannot provide? I don't know much about these trains and would like to know more about the CRH-0207 and it's golden friend CRH-0503.
they solve the maintenance problem that Chinese HST come from different country,they have the same parts like wheels,it has Unified the passenger UI,driver UI,main parts(like wheels,CRH380B's wheel is larger than CRH380A).they have the same height,width(CRH380B is higer than CRH380A,CRH380A is wider than CRH380b,But they will the same for the NEW 350KM/H train)
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Old July 20th, 2016, 03:01 AM   #10867
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Also a good news
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The Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway, the darling of the country's top operator China Railway Corp, earned 23.4 billion yuan ($3.5 billion) last year, with a net profit of nearly 6.6 billion yuan, the National Business Daily reported on Tuesday.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #10868
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BEIJING, July 20 (Xinhua) -- The top economic planner issued China's latest national railway plan Wednesday, with the target to operate a 175,000 km rail network by 2025.

China expects to have 38,000 km of high speed railway (HSR) by 2025, according to the plan issued by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC).

By 2020, China will have a 150,000 km railway network, of which about 30,000 km will be HSR, covering over 80 percent of major cities nationwide, said the NDRC.

By 2030, the inter-city rail network will have been improved, reducing the travel time between neighboring major and medium-sized cities.

The new plan also emphasized boosting rail construction in central and western areas to achieve a more balanced development among regions.

NDRC statistics show that China had an operating rail length of 121,000 km by 2015, of which 19,000 km was high-speed rail.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #10869
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Old July 20th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #10870
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Old July 21st, 2016, 12:11 AM   #10871
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Old July 21st, 2016, 10:32 AM   #10872
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So, total length of slow rail:
China:
2015: 121 000 km
2020: 150 000 km - +29 000 km in 5 year
2025: 175 000 km - +25 000 km in 5 years, +54 000 km in 10
USA:
1870: 80 000 km
1880: 140 000 km - +60 000 km in 10 years
1890: 260 000 km - +120 000 km in 10 years
1916: 410 000 km - +150 000 km in 26 years

USA between 1880 and 1890 managed to build 120 000 km rail lines in 10 years... much of them by Chinese, too.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 04:30 PM   #10873
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USA between 1880 and 1890 managed to build 120 000 km rail lines in 10 years... much of them by Chinese, too.
Why do they build railway so slow now? no slaves around?
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Old July 21st, 2016, 05:32 PM   #10874
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So, total length of slow rail:
China:
2015: 121 000 km
2020: 150 000 km - +29 000 km in 5 year
2025: 175 000 km - +25 000 km in 5 years, +54 000 km in 10
USA:
1870: 80 000 km
1880: 140 000 km - +60 000 km in 10 years
1890: 260 000 km - +120 000 km in 10 years
1916: 410 000 km - +150 000 km in 26 years

USA between 1880 and 1890 managed to build 120 000 km rail lines in 10 years... much of them by Chinese, too.
Can the railways in 1880s compare to current railways in China? What a joke!
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Old July 21st, 2016, 07:04 PM   #10875
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A nice picture of high speed lines showing the scale of the built up:

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Old July 21st, 2016, 08:11 PM   #10876
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Why do they build railway so slow now? no slaves around?
There were no slaves in 1870 either. As a country matures, more and more necessary infrastructure is already built out and the cost of building (including labor costs and time due to increased environmental concerns) drastically increases.

The U.S. had a peak length of 250,000km of track in the 1930s, but much of it was unprofitable and it took decades of restructuring to bring it to where it is today, which is a highly efficient and profitable freight operation.

The same has happened in Japan (e.g. the Hokkaido Shinkansen) and in every other developed country.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 09:41 PM   #10877
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The U.S. had a peak length of 250,000km of track in the 1930s, but much of it was unprofitable and it took decades of restructuring to bring it to where it is today, which is a highly efficient and profitable freight operation.

The same has happened in Japan (e.g. the Hokkaido Shinkansen) and in every other developed country.
It has not happened in every other developed country. While freight rail exists in Japan, the zairaisen network is dominated by passenger transportation, with dense distribution of passenger stations. Many European countries are similar.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 10:00 PM   #10878
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It has not happened in every other developed country. While freight rail exists in Japan, the zairaisen network is dominated by passenger transportation, with dense distribution of passenger stations. Many European countries are similar.
The discussion is on total rail length. It's true that Japan and Europe have far more developed passenger rail, but it's also true that new rail lines in Japan and Europe are far more difficult and slow to build now than it was 50 years ago.

I'd argue that the lack of passenger rail in the U.S. is largely a function of geography. Outside of a few specific corridors (NEC, parts of Florida, Dallas-Houston, the Chicago/St. Louis area, Washington state, and California), rail transit just doesn't make any sense. A country like Japan has ~45% of the population of the U.S. and fits inside the state of California. A Los Angeles to New York HSR train would take something like 19 hours whereas it's only ~5 hours by plane.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 11:13 PM   #10879
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The U.S. had a peak length of 250,000km of track in the 1930s, but much of it was unprofitable and it took decades of restructuring to bring it to where it is today, which is a highly efficient and profitable freight operation.
A big incentive for the late 19th century rail build out is checker boarding land grant surrounding the rail lines. For the rail company, even if the line itself is not profitable, can sell the granted land and still make profit. Of course that's a one time cash injection via land sales and can't be sustained for the long term, also I'm sure some lines are built purely for land grabs, thus unable to sustain itself for the long term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checke...ailroad_grants

https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/...l18402003.html
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Old July 21st, 2016, 11:40 PM   #10880
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I'd argue that the lack of passenger rail in the U.S. is largely a function of geography. Outside of a few specific corridors (NEC, parts of Florida, Dallas-Houston, the Chicago/St. Louis area, Washington state, and California), rail transit just doesn't make any sense. A country like Japan has ~45% of the population of the U.S. and fits inside the state of California.
Parts of Europe is more densely settled than most of USA, but a lot isnīt. Central Europe and Nordic countries have less dense population but significant passenger rail.
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By 2030, the inter-city rail network will have been improved, reducing the travel time between neighboring major and medium-sized cities.
Thatīs one of the things China needs - more of it.
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A Los Angeles to New York HSR train would take something like 19 hours whereas it's only ~5 hours by plane.
But New York-Chicago or New Your-Atlanta are distances nicely comparable to Beijing-Shanghai.
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