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Old August 3rd, 2016, 05:59 PM   #10901
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Went to visit a friend who just had a baby near E'bian, Sichuan. While there, they invited me to walk through the ancestral village and fields down to where a new high speed railway is commencing to build a tunnel. It is part of an extension of the Chengdu-E'mei Shan Line. However we had to beat a hasty retreat because they were blasting at the time.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 06:56 AM   #10902
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China's bullet trains make five billion trips
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1 August 2016

There have been more than 5 billion passenger trips on China's world-renowned bullet trains in eight years, according to new data from the national rail operator. Since its debut in 2008, China's high-speed railway has seen an average annual growth of over 30 percent in passenger trips, the China Railway Corporation said on Thursday, the day after China announced plans to double its length of HSR by 2025.

In 2015 alone, over 1.1 billion trips were made on bullet trains in China, representing more than 45 percent of the country's total railway passenger delivery.

For a nation as large and populous as China, the HSR is charged with overcoming the "bottleneck" in the development of the railway, which is vital for mass transportation, said transportation expert Gu Zhongyuan.

Some 4,200 bullet trains operate on the HSR every day, facilitating over 4 million passenger trips, according to an employee with the official train ticketing website 12306.com.

One of the countless people to benefit is Wang Liya, a mother of two who lives in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou province, which used to be a 21-hour train trip away from her husband and the children's father's workplace of Guangzhou in south China's Guangdong province.

"It's now much more convenient to visit their dad," said Wang of a high-speed train service launched in late 2014 that cut the journey down to only four hours, enabling far more frequent family reunions.

There are many other reasons behind the stellar growth in passenger trips besides the speed, including accessibility, safety and punctuality, all of which have enabled the CRC to find more and more customers worldwide.

China's 19,000 km of high-speed track represents 60 percent of the world's total. It is part of a domestic network of more than 120,000 km of track, which now connect almost all the provincial capital cities and cities with over 500,000 residents.

"China is the world's largest HSR builder and operator, the best all-rounder in technical know-how and the most experienced manager," said Sun Zhang, a professor at Shanghai's Tongji University.

In July, the National Development and Reform Commission said that China would aim to have 38,000 km of HSR by 2025.

By 2020, one-fifth of the country's 150,000-km railway network will be HSR, connecting over 80 percent of major cities nationwide, said the NDRC.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #10903
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A European federation would probably not put alot of money into rail in remote parts of Sweden, while a swedish government has a bigger incentive to do this.
Nonsense. First of all, a European federation would consist of states which would still have the same priorities regarding regional public traffic. Secondly the EU invests a lot of money in rail infrastructure which are of greater European interest but would not be as much of a priority for the states themselves. Both layers together ansure pretty solid investment in all sorts of rail lines.

Pretty much the same goes for the US of A. The reason why their passenger rail system is a joke is not founded in the political system. It is something that is rooted more in ideology and the aversion to public (co-)funding of rail infrastructure. China is different for sure to both the US and Europe in the way it takes a mountain of money into its hands to rocket start a 21st century rail network in a mere 2 decades. The US and Europe probably wouldn't even be able to pull that off even they wanted to. That is not all bad, after all, stiff rules, environmental protection etc do have some purpose after all, even if they are an obstacle for development.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 02:47 PM   #10904
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I thought the Chengdu-Chongqing railway was making money. All the times I've been on it, it was full to the gills and even the standing room tickets were sold out. Why else would you build a third line (the Chengdu-Chongqing Intercity Line) if the first one wasn't making money? It's like a 90 minute trip so it far outweighs flying and Chengdu East is connected to the metro as is Chongqing's terminus.
Because you don't build railways to make money but to establish a proper infrastructure which is necessary for becoming a developed country. Of course, you have to build to meet demand but rail lines usually will be not very profitable, or profitable at all, even if they are needed and used heavily.

Same goes for road infrastructure in many areas btw. If only profitable roads were built road infrastructure would be quite bad.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 09:15 AM   #10905
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For comparison, US Interstate Highway network is 77 000 km.
But it does not make up the whole road network of USA.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #10906
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Nonsense. First of all, a European federation would consist of states which would still have the same priorities regarding regional public traffic. Secondly the EU invests a lot of money in rail infrastructure which are of greater European interest but would not be as much of a priority for the states themselves. Both layers together ansure pretty solid investment in all sorts of rail lines.

Pretty much the same goes for the US of A. The reason why their passenger rail system is a joke is not founded in the political system. It is something that is rooted more in ideology and the aversion to public (co-)funding of rail infrastructure. China is different for sure to both the US and Europe in the way it takes a mountain of money into its hands to rocket start a 21st century rail network in a mere 2 decades. The US and Europe probably wouldn't even be able to pull that off even they wanted to. That is not all bad, after all, stiff rules, environmental protection etc do have some purpose after all, even if they are an obstacle for development.
What? US investments in roads/rail is mostly on a federal level.
If every state was a country, the smaller states would have better infrastructure.
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Germany is also federal and fairly big, and has good rail.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 08:33 PM   #10908
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What? US investments in roads/rail is mostly on a federal level.
If every state was a country, the smaller states would have better infrastructure.
I am not an expert on the US in this regard but I would find it extremely weird if constructing municipal or local roads would be mostly decided on federal level.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #10909
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I am not an expert on the US in this regard but I would find it extremely weird if constructing municipal or local roads would be mostly decided on federal level.
Certainly the total length of US road network is quoted as 6 600 000 km, of which just 77 000 km is interstate highways. Who runs the rest?
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Old August 9th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #10910
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Date: Aug 02, 106 | Source: ECNS Wire



It makes sense to build lines in Central and Western China before prices (labour, resettlement, infrastructure costs, etc.) get too high. Profit making lines in the east can offset some of the losses in other regions. However, I did expect HSR between Chongqing, Chengdu and Wuhan to be making a profit by now.
When splittting the loss/profits of lines is a common mistake to forget about fiber optic revenue as well as profits coming from Stations. It happens that the addition of the result of the different lines makes a loss, while the company that operates the whole business makes a profit. The amount of money that comes from fiber optic and stations is relevant. I do not know if train stations in China are extremely profitable or not an if the fiber optic business is big or not, but i would not be surprised if it was the case.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 01:14 PM   #10911
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More details about the plans:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/i...ster-plan.html
Some absurdities:


But a list of the 16 main lines intended:
Thanks for the info!

There is a map with the new lines?
Because, for example, I can not imagine where will the Harbin-Hong Kong PDL (previously: Harbin-Beijing Jingha PDL) there are also the Jingguang PDL (Beijing-Hong Kong). Or is not it?

Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the info!

There is a map with the new lines?
Because, for example, I can not imagine where will the Harbin-Hong Kong PDL (previously: Harbin-Beijing Jingha PDL) there are also the Jingguang PDL (Beijing-Hong Kong). Or is not it?
I've seen a map somewhere.
But it would do little good if the names are all Chinese for us - and need Rectification of Names even in original Chinese.

Basically there are now 2 major routes between Beijing and Pearl River Delta: one goes via Wuhan, the other further east, via Nanchang.
Both of them go to Hong Kong, so picking just one of them to call after Hong Kong is causing confusion. Also, if there is a railway Harbin-Beijing, picking just one of the Beijing-Hong Kong routes as the Harbin-Hong Kong one is likewise confusing.
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Thank you
I could find this page of Wikipedia in Chinese:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/“八纵八横”高速铁路主通道
Translated:
https://translate.google.es/translat...80%9A%E9%81%93
and has a map.



Tomorrow I will put my lines list with the new numbering for verification.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 09:57 PM   #10914
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8 PDL North → South + 8 East → West



In a somewhat hasty, but this is my list of the detailed route of each PDL line for verification.
Tomorrow I hope to put each section inaugurated indicating the line to which it belongs.

North → South:

01- Coastal PDL Dalian-Beihai (light blue): Dandong-Dalian-Shenyang-Qinhuangdao-Tianjin E.-Dongying-Weifang-Qingdao-Lianyungang-Yancheng-Nantong-Shanghai-Ningbo-Fuzhou-Xiamen-Shenzhen-Zhanjiang-Beihai (near Vietnam)

02- Harbin-Hong Kong PDL (dark green): Harbin-Changchun-Shenyang-Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong and branch Guangzhou-Zhuhai (Macao).

03- Beijing-Hong Kong PDL (red): Beijing-Hengshui-Heze-Shangqiu-Fuyang-Huanggang -Hefei-Nanchang-Jiujiang-Ganzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong (Kowloon) with another branch: Hefei-Fuzhou-Putian-Taipei (Taiwan).

04- Beijing-Shanghai PDL (yellow): Beijing-Tianjin W.-Jinan-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Shanghái; branch Nanjing-Hangzhou and branch Xuzhou-Bengbu-Hefei-Hangzhou. There is another yellow parallel line: Dongying-Weifang-Linyi-Huai'an-Yangzhou-Nantong-Shanghai.

05- Hohhot (Huhhot, west of Beijing)-Nanning (near Vietnam) PDL (purple): Hohhot-Datong-Taiyuan-Zhengzhou-Changde-Yiyang-Shaoyang-Xiangyang-Yongzhou-Guilin-Nanning.

06- Beijing-Kunming PDL (deep purple): Beijing-Taiyuan-Xi'an-Chengdu-Chongqing-Kunming.

07- Baotou/Yinchuan (west of Beijing)-Haikou (in Hainan) PDL (dark blue): branch Yinchuan-Xi'an and main line Baotou-Yan'an-Xi'an-Chongqing-Guiyang-Nanning-Zhanjiang-Haikou.

08- Xining-Guangzhou PDL (light purple): Xining-Lanzhou-Chengdu-Chongqing-Guiyang-Guangzhou.


East → West:

09- Qingdao-Yinchuan PDL (light green): Qingdao-Jinan-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan-Yinchuan.

10- Lianyungang-Urumqi PDL (brown): Lianyungang-Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an-Lanzhou-Xining-Urumqi.

11- Shanghai-Kunming PDL (light blue): Shanghai-Hangzhou-Nanchang-Changsha-Guiyang-Kunming.

12- Shanghai-Chengdu PDL (greenish blue): Shanghai-Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan-Chongqing-Chengdu. Branches: Anqing-Jiujiang, Yichang-Chongqing, Lichuan-Wanzhou and Chengdu-Suining.

13- Suifenhe (Russian border East)-Manzhouli (Russian border in Inner Mongolia) PDL (light blue): Suifenhe-Mudanjiang-Harbin-Qiqihar-Hailar-Manzhouli.

14- Beijing-Lanzhou PDL (brown green): Beijing-Hohhot-Yinchuan-Lanzhou.

15- Xiamen-Chongqing PDL (pink): Xiamen-Longyan-Ganzhou-Changsha-Chongqing

16- Guangzhou-Kunming PDL (dark gray): Guangzhou-Nanning-Kunming


The numbers are not official; the first four lines of each class are those known so far.
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In a somewhat hasty, but this is my list of the detailed route of each PDL line for verification.
North → South:
05- Hohhot (Huhhot, west of Beijing)-Nanning (near Vietnam) PDL (purple): Hohhot-Datong-Taiyuan-Zhengzhou-Changde-Yiyang-Shaoyang-Xiangyang-Yongzhou-Guilin-Nanning.
Looks more like orange?
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So 4+4 has been upgraded to 8+8... I like it.
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High Speed Train - China. by Harry 1010, on Flickr
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In a somewhat hasty, but this is my list of the detailed route of each PDL line for verification.
Tomorrow I hope to put each section inaugurated indicating the line to which it belongs.

North → South:

01- Coastal PDL Dalian-Beihai (light blue): Dandong-Dalian-Shenyang-Qinhuangdao-Tianjin E.-Dongying-Weifang-Qingdao-Lianyungang-Yancheng-Nantong-Shanghai-Ningbo-Fuzhou-Xiamen-Shenzhen-Zhanjiang-Beihai (near Vietnam)

02- Harbin-Hong Kong PDL (dark green): Harbin-Changchun-Shenyang-Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong and branch Guangzhou-Zhuhai (Macao).

03- Beijing-Hong Kong PDL (red): Beijing-Hengshui-Heze-Shangqiu-Fuyang-Huanggang -Hefei-Nanchang-Jiujiang-Ganzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong (Kowloon) with another branch: Hefei-Fuzhou-Putian-Taipei (Taiwan).

04- Beijing-Shanghai PDL (yellow): Beijing-Tianjin W.-Jinan-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Shanghái; branch Nanjing-Hangzhou and branch Xuzhou-Bengbu-Hefei-Hangzhou. There is another yellow parallel line: Dongying-Weifang-Linyi-Huai'an-Yangzhou-Nantong-Shanghai.

05- Hohhot (Huhhot, west of Beijing)-Nanning (near Vietnam) PDL (purple): Hohhot-Datong-Taiyuan-Zhengzhou-Changde-Yiyang-Shaoyang-Xiangyang-Yongzhou-Guilin-Nanning.

06- Beijing-Kunming PDL (deep purple): Beijing-Taiyuan-Xi'an-Chengdu-Chongqing-Kunming.

07- Baotou/Yinchuan (west of Beijing)-Haikou (in Hainan) PDL (dark blue): branch Yinchuan-Xi'an and main line Baotou-Yan'an-Xi'an-Chongqing-Guiyang-Nanning-Zhanjiang-Haikou.

08- Xining-Guangzhou PDL (light purple): Xining-Lanzhou-Chengdu-Chongqing-Guiyang-Guangzhou.


East → West:

09- Qingdao-Yinchuan PDL (light green): Qingdao-Jinan-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan-Yinchuan.

10- Lianyungang-Urumqi PDL (brown): Lianyungang-Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an-Lanzhou-Xining-Urumqi.

11- Shanghai-Kunming PDL (light blue): Shanghai-Hangzhou-Nanchang-Changsha-Guiyang-Kunming.

12- Shanghai-Chengdu PDL (greenish blue): Shanghai-Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan-Chongqing-Chengdu. Branches: Anqing-Jiujiang, Yichang-Chongqing, Lichuan-Wanzhou and Chengdu-Suining.

13- Suifenhe (Russian border East)-Manzhouli (Russian border in Inner Mongolia) PDL (light blue): Suifenhe-Mudanjiang-Harbin-Qiqihar-Hailar-Manzhouli.

14- Beijing-Lanzhou PDL (brown green): Beijing-Hohhot-Yinchuan-Lanzhou.

15- Xiamen-Chongqing PDL (pink): Xiamen-Longyan-Ganzhou-Changsha-Chongqing

16- Guangzhou-Kunming PDL (dark gray): Guangzhou-Nanning-Kunming


The numbers are not official; the first four lines of each class are those known so far.

Any chance of the people in taipai agreeing to a HSR line connecting them to the mainland?
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Sections in service each PDL

I just upgraded my list of sections based on the UIC list. Comments and corrections are welcome.

I prefer to put an image to be better understood. The header means:
Lines in service - Km/h (according to UIC / according to media) - Opened (day / month / year) - Km line - PDL to which it belongs.





In Wikipedia (In Spanish) it is the same and also can be copied in Calc / Excel format. There is also the detail of each PDL line and there are some changes from what I wore yesterday: the Beijing-Tianjin line (not on the map) and some branches. There are many more data (passengers, trains) and, I repeat: comments and corrections are welcome.


In this table the amount of km opened each year and their proportion of the total appears; it is not a year on the previous one, but each year the total.
For example: the largest number of km to 350 km/h was in 2012, but to 250 was in 2014.
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In a somewhat hasty, but this is my list of the detailed route of each PDL line for verification.
Tomorrow I hope to put each section inaugurated indicating the line to which it belongs.

North → South:

01- Coastal PDL Dalian-Beihai (light blue): Dandong-Dalian-Shenyang-Qinhuangdao-Tianjin E.-Dongying-Weifang-Qingdao-Lianyungang-Yancheng-Nantong-Shanghai-Ningbo-Fuzhou-Xiamen-Shenzhen-Zhanjiang-Beihai (near Vietnam)

02- Harbin-Hong Kong PDL (dark green): Harbin-Changchun-Shenyang-Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong and branch Guangzhou-Zhuhai (Macao).

03- Beijing-Hong Kong PDL (red): Beijing-Hengshui-Heze-Shangqiu-Fuyang-Huanggang -Hefei-Nanchang-Jiujiang-Ganzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong (Kowloon) with another branch: Hefei-Fuzhou-Putian-Taipei (Taiwan).

04- Beijing-Shanghai PDL (yellow): Beijing-Tianjin W.-Jinan-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Shanghái; branch Nanjing-Hangzhou and branch Xuzhou-Bengbu-Hefei-Hangzhou. There is another yellow parallel line: Dongying-Weifang-Linyi-Huai'an-Yangzhou-Nantong-Shanghai.

05- Hohhot (Huhhot, west of Beijing)-Nanning (near Vietnam) PDL (purple): Hohhot-Datong-Taiyuan-Zhengzhou-Changde-Yiyang-Shaoyang-Xiangyang-Yongzhou-Guilin-Nanning.

06- Beijing-Kunming PDL (deep purple): Beijing-Taiyuan-Xi'an-Chengdu-Chongqing-Kunming.

07- Baotou/Yinchuan (west of Beijing)-Haikou (in Hainan) PDL (dark blue): branch Yinchuan-Xi'an and main line Baotou-Yan'an-Xi'an-Chongqing-Guiyang-Nanning-Zhanjiang-Haikou.

08- Xining-Guangzhou PDL (light purple): Xining-Lanzhou-Chengdu-Chongqing-Guiyang-Guangzhou.


East → West:

09- Qingdao-Yinchuan PDL (light green): Qingdao-Jinan-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan-Yinchuan.

10- Lianyungang-Urumqi PDL (brown): Lianyungang-Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an-Lanzhou-Xining-Urumqi.

11- Shanghai-Kunming PDL (light blue): Shanghai-Hangzhou-Nanchang-Changsha-Guiyang-Kunming.

12- Shanghai-Chengdu PDL (greenish blue): Shanghai-Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan-Chongqing-Chengdu. Branches: Anqing-Jiujiang, Yichang-Chongqing, Lichuan-Wanzhou and Chengdu-Suining.

13- Suifenhe (Russian border East)-Manzhouli (Russian border in Inner Mongolia) PDL (light blue): Suifenhe-Mudanjiang-Harbin-Qiqihar-Hailar-Manzhouli.

14- Beijing-Lanzhou PDL (brown green): Beijing-Hohhot-Yinchuan-Lanzhou.

15- Xiamen-Chongqing PDL (pink): Xiamen-Longyan-Ganzhou-Changsha-Chongqing

16- Guangzhou-Kunming PDL (dark gray): Guangzhou-Nanning-Kunming


The numbers are not official; the first four lines of each class are those known so far.
actually there are far more PDL lines except 8+8 HSR
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