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Old September 4th, 2016, 07:37 PM   #10981
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We simply did not know bus prices in China. In the West long distance buses are usually the cheapest possible form of public transportation (where available). Apparently not in China and possibly because tickets on slow trains are subsidised to a greater extent.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 07:45 PM   #10982
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We simply did not know bus prices in China. In the West long distance buses are usually the cheapest possible form of public transportation (where available). Apparently not in China and possibly because tickets on slow trains are subsidised to a greater extent.
That might be the case. I remember once taking a bus from Hangzhou Xiaoshan airport to Shanghai. It cost 100RBM at the time (2012 I believe). G train ticket between Shanghai and Hangzhou cost something under 80RMB. It quite surprised me then that bus was actually more expensive to travel similar distance than a G train, not to mention slower trains.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 06:06 AM   #10983
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On September 10th Zhengzhou-Xuzhou section begins operation. There's been an update in the HSR schedule.

New connections:

Zhengzhou - Shanghai (16 pairs a day)

G1804, G370, G1808, G1812, G362, G2814, G1918, G1922, G1824, G1926, G1868, G1930, G1954, G1938, G1934, G1942

Shortest time journey: 4h00m


Zhengzhou - Xuzhou (51 pairs a day)

Shortest time journey: 1h30m


Xi'an - Shanghai (8 pairs a day)

G362, G1918, G1922, G1926, G1930, G1934, G1938, G1942

Shortest time journey: 5h58m


Taiyuan - Shanghai (2 pairs a day)

G1958, G1954


Shortest time journey: 8h47m
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Old September 5th, 2016, 07:33 AM   #10984
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On September 10th Zhengzhou-Xuzhou section begins operation. There's been an update in the HSR schedule.

New connections:

Zhengzhou - Shanghai (16 pairs a day)

G1804, G370, G1808, G1812, G362, G2814, G1918, G1922, G1824, G1926, G1868, G1930, G1954, G1938, G1934, G1942

Shortest time journey: 4h00m
The fastest existing train is Z218, travel time 8:48.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:28 AM   #10985
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That might be the case. I remember once taking a bus from Hangzhou Xiaoshan airport to Shanghai. It cost 100RBM at the time (2012 I believe). G train ticket between Shanghai and Hangzhou cost something under 80RMB. It quite surprised me then that bus was actually more expensive to travel similar distance than a G train, not to mention slower trains.
You have to factor in the convenience factor to your example. The airport shuttle bus ride into Hangzhou station plus the train journey time to Shanghai compared to a direct bus journey was negligible, also the 80RMB train ticket plus 20RMB for the airport shuttle to the station equals the direct bus cost. The other convenience factor is that many buses travelling to many destinations, outer suburbs or satellite towns of Shanghai, rather than going into the CBD and getting public transport back to your destination.

So all in all, that is why the bus ticket cost is more than a train ticket from CBD to CBD. Like transport, food and drinks at any airport worldwide, they often attract a premium because they are a captured market for travellers.

However for real long distance bus services, they follow a value-per-kilometre ratio just like railways but at a lesser rate (set by local or provincial authorities pending on route) and for routes served by rail, fast or slow, they often serve an infill purpose serving minor towns or express services for budget travellers.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 11:25 AM   #10986
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. The other convenience factor is that many buses travelling to many destinations, outer suburbs or satellite towns of Shanghai, rather than going into the CBD and getting public transport back to your destination.
Which is due to shortage of train stations operating in suburbs of Shanghai.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #10987
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We see that bus is by far the slowest and also among the most expensive options. How does that go with earlier claims by some forumers that buses are 'cheaper'?
There is one sample : From Guangzhou to Shenzhen . The price and time needed for different ways are as follows :
G train of Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong Kong Express Rail Link will spend you 74.5 RMB , and just 36 mins for journey .

D Train of Guangzhou–Shenzhen Railway: 78.5 RMB , 1.5h . The D trains of this line is non train-ticket matched , when a train comes , you can just board and don't have to match the ticket . Just like "metro" line . But in the rush period like ChunYun(春运), you can only board the train match to your ticket .

And for buses , it takes about 60 RMB (different from terminals to terminal ) and about 2 hours to get to Shenzhen . But the traffic jam at the rush hour will make you crazy

Totally in short distance , buses is the cheapest and most convenient way to travel in China . But for long distance (maybe over 100KM I think) , trains the will be the best choice ,especially high speed trains .
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Old September 5th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #10988
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Old September 5th, 2016, 08:06 PM   #10989
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You have to factor in the convenience factor to your example. The airport shuttle bus ride into Hangzhou station plus the train journey time to Shanghai compared to a direct bus journey was negligible, also the 80RMB train ticket plus 20RMB for the airport shuttle to the station equals the direct bus cost. The other convenience factor is that many buses travelling to many destinations, outer suburbs or satellite towns of Shanghai, rather than going into the CBD and getting public transport back to your destination.
I am absolutely aware of that. However other examples mentioned in this thread also suggest that buses are not the cheapest option. In fact still about as epensive as G trains.

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So all in all, that is why the bus ticket cost is more than a train ticket from CBD to CBD. Like transport, food and drinks at any airport worldwide, they often attract a premium because they are a captured market for travellers.
Is there a premium fopr traveling to Shenzhen Futian station? Or other stations (such as Shanghai or Guangzhou) where they are located in the central parts of the city?
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Old September 5th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #10990
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There is one sample : From Guangzhou to Shenzhen . The price and time needed for different ways are as follows :
G train of Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong Kong Express Rail Link will spend you 74.5 RMB , and just 36 mins for journey .

D Train of Guangzhou–Shenzhen Railway: 78.5 RMB , 1.5h . The D trains of this line is non train-ticket matched , when a train comes , you can just board and don't have to match the ticket . Just like "metro" line . But in the rush period like ChunYun(春运), you can only board the train match to your ticket .

And for buses , it takes about 60 RMB (different from terminals to terminal ) and about 2 hours to get to Shenzhen . But the traffic jam at the rush hour will make you crazy

Totally in short distance , buses is the cheapest and most convenient way to travel in China . But for long distance (maybe over 100KM I think) , trains the will be the best choice ,especially high speed trains .
Ok I think this pretty much explains it.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 08:57 PM   #10991
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Old September 6th, 2016, 09:17 AM   #10992
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Is there a premium fopr traveling to Shenzhen Futian station? Or other stations (such as Shanghai or Guangzhou) where they are located in the central parts of the city?
For some reason, high speed lines do not go to Guangzhou and Shanghai main stations.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #10993
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For some reason, high speed lines do not go to Guangzhou and Shanghai main stations.

From personal experience I can attest that G trains in SZ do in fact go down to futian station.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 02:07 PM   #10994
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From personal experience I can attest that G trains in SZ do in fact go down to futian station.
Yes, and it is a new station built for HSR - not shared by slow speed rail.
Also, there are just 28 daily G trains to Futian, of which just 2 come from beyond Guangzhou South, and these 2 from Changsha.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 07:24 PM   #10995
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For some reason, high speed lines do not go to Guangzhou and Shanghai main stations.
G trains do go to Shanghai main station.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #10996
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G trains do go to Shanghai main station.
True. Although this is on an old line - not a new line built into an old station.
Also, mainly from Nanjing. Few trains from beyond - seems from Hefei, Xuzhou, Huainan, Anqing, Luan.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 08:02 PM   #10997
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Not sure, but a source for "disposable income":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ome_per_capita
So $270 after taxes. And that's arithmetical average. Median would be significantly lower. So I was a bit optimistic.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 09:34 PM   #10998
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So $270 after taxes. And that's arithmetical average. Median would be significantly lower. So I was a bit optimistic.
Average salary in China is 62029 CNY/Year so its like 9500 usd.
5170 rmb/month
China has big tax allowance, so after tax it's 5100 CNY = 770 usd/month.
Chinese black market is significantly bigger than in other countries so i would say average salary is much bigger than official statistics say, especially business owners .
http://finance.sina.com.cn/calc/tax_pers_income.html
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages
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Old September 7th, 2016, 11:13 AM   #10999
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Old September 7th, 2016, 02:34 PM   #11000
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On September 10th Zhengzhou-Xuzhou section begins operation. There's been an update in the HSR schedule.

New connections:

Zhengzhou - Shanghai (16 pairs a day)

G1804, G370, G1808, G1812, G362, G2814, G1918, G1922, G1824, G1926, G1868, G1930, G1954, G1938, G1934, G1942

Shortest time journey: 4h00m
For the opposite direction, Shanghai-Zhengzhou, I counted 14 G trains. Fastest G368, trip time 3:57. Second class seat 447 yuan.
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